One Synth Challenge #108: Diodow by HrastProgrammer (Schiing Wins!)

[zarf]

Top notch zarf. Love the spacey echos and the crazy jazz trumpet. Great job making the dnb kick as well.

Hey cheers

[zarf]

@Zarf, I'm pretty sure that page 3, 8th post, line #2 clearly shows a unanimous decision not to use samples.

Just kidding

If that turns out to be a real issue... man,

Very cool track. Dizzy Gillespie was gettin' his groove on!

Many thanks I wish !!

[Guenon]

Sigh, oh well, here's a quickie, quick as QuickBASIC. In a slow manner. And all the extra stuff in AUTOEXEC.BAT makes it stall.

https://soundcloud.com/guenooni/guenon- ... utoexecbat

(23 Diodow instances in Ableton Live 10; built-in Live EQs, compressors, limiters and a delay, plus a couple of Orilriver reverbs.)

[574X]

Wow, a 500 post thread! Congrats everyone for completing the challenge. I hope you learned something. I did.

https://soundcloud.com/unknownchallenge ... -kvrosc108

18x Diodow Synth
MEqualizer, MBandpass, MSaturator, ReaComp (also sidechain), ReaXcomp, Aradaz Maximizer (drums), Ambience, Ozone Imager, Unlimited

- I should mention, thanks to the guys who posted at the beginning of the month to help solve some of the debilitating problems with Diodow, causing the daw to crash if the project was saved!

I think saving to the default patches when I saved the project file was causing it to crash so I made my presets in my documents, and made many backups. As described, the config file and using Reaper for the ability to "save minimal undo states" may have helped too.

Does diodow have a monophonic portamento? I couldn't find it, if so. Portamento would make Diodow one of my absolute favorite synths.

Of the hundreds of free synths I've tried and made, Diodow is one of the best at pads, demonstrating the incredible strengths of having that unique parallel routing of oscillators through their own filters, which I previously avoided in my own schematics.

[574X]

Another thing that Diodow helped me a ton with was my preset programming workflow!

Along with Diodow's issues necessitating well organized backups and folders, the multi page gui, parallel routing doubling or even quadrupling the steps to create an intended modulation, coupled with the blank init matrix which requires 2 menu dives and a value adjustment, made this an obvious circumstance to practice creating templates.

(at the risk of restating something that's been said already somewhere in the thread)
First, it seemed intuitive that my ideal init would have
pitchbend > pitch
velocity > volume
at least, even if the value is 0.
Personally, I added modwheel > filter 1 cut, and set the first 4 sources to the 4 lfos and the second 4 sources to the 4 envelopes. That alone saves a ton of time.

It makes sense to program a pluck template followed by a drum template, however the double adsr was so strange for me to wrap my head around that I ended up with a variety of sub optimally programmed drums before I got to ones that made sense for fine tuning. However, I'm happy about that as well, because starting drums from a patch without a pitch envelope or noise/distortion can yield very unique percussion each time.

Well, hopefully some of those lessons I learned are of help to someone else here. Happy synthesizing!

[Harry_HH]

To my astonishment, I received a pm from an active OSC-challenger, he complained my low points to him in the OSC voting: “...do you honestly believe that my music, the work and love I put into it and the decades of experience that goes with it is pure filth to your ears “.

I don´t want to name that person, he can come forward himself, if he will. But that message rose a couple of questions to me, concerning the OSC:

1. Is this kind of influence in harmony of the spirit of the OSC?

2. So far I have believed, that the OSC voting is anonymous? If I have missunderstood, I ask the OSC organizers to send me the link, where I can see all the voting points of each challenge per each Kvr member.

On the other hand, if the voting is not open in that way, shouldn´t this rule concern all the partcipants?

Can it be so, that some OSC participants can see the voting results of other members, but some can´t? Its clear, that the OSC organizers/tellers have to see the votes per names, but those tellers shouldn´t be at the same time contenders of the same challenge.

In any case, trying to influence voters with the private mails, and being able to see all the voting results plus taking part to the competition at same time, should be out of the question, according to my scandinavian sense of justice.

This is not a big deal for me, and I don´t want to crucify anyone, but in the spirit of transparency, I think it would good to make to rules clear, equally for everyone, of this great competition.

[Guenon]

1. Is this kind of influence in harmony of the spirit of the OSC?

2. So far I have believed, that the OSC voting is anonymous? If I have missunderstood, I ask the OSC organizers to send me the link, where I can see all the voting points of each challenge per each Kvr member.

Voting is always open. The link to all the votes is always in the same post the results are published in.

Influencing votes, when it's done in a malicious way (i.e. not through the music itself, and instead by... extortion or some other such means ), is of course not in the spirit of the OSC. Just glancing at the votes from the last round, however, shows that out of all entries, you have given only one "1" vote, to a particular person, and the vote stands in quite a strong contrast to the quality of the work, and your other votes. It seems your voting isn't in good spirit of OSC either, and you are letting some other issues influence your voting than the actual musical work? In my opinion, there's nothing wrong, then, if the said person wants to bring up that sort of conduct and ask you about it.

[Taron]

Ugh, February always throws me off, but I was somehow thrown off by a lot of things this month. I wonder how soon 2018 will recover for me?!

https://soundcloud.com/taronium/taron-bigleap

OSC#108: Diodow

Diodow instances: 16
DAW: MULab (www.mutools.com)
FX: Mid-Side Processor, Vintage Echo 1, 4 Band EQ, delay_cross, Giant Hall, level compressor, Hipass Filter
3rd party: LoudMax64, OTT, dimension expander, Abstract Chamber, OculusSpatializer

Well, I did somehow like the synth and also kind of...it's weird to say, but I also disliked what it did to me. On one hand it was incredibly interesting to work it, but then somewhere beneath or above the surface of it, it sucked the inspiration out of me. Might've been that weird year thus far, but well... anyway, I had a fantastic and terrible time with it.

[Harry_HH]

Influencing votes, when it's done in a malicious way (i.e. not through the music itself, and instead by... extortion or some other such means ), is of course not in the spirit of the OSC. Just glancing the votes from the last round, however, shows that out of all entries, you have given only one "1" vote, to a particular person, and the vote stands in quite a strong contrast to the quality of the work, and your other votes. It seems your voting isn't in good spirit of OSC either, and you are letting some other issues influence your voting than the actual musical work?

Hmmm...according to your statement, you decide, what the voter should consider as a good piece.
Ins´t that a bit dangerous path? I think the taste of always a subjective thing - that´s the whole point of the open challenge.

[Guenon]

Hmmm...according to your statement, you decide, what the voter should consider of good piece.
Ins´t that a bit dangerous path? I think the taste of always a subjective thing - that´s the whole point of the open challenge.

No, I don't decide, and you know that too. The main point is, just by glancing at the votes after you brought this up, I agree it is unlikely that someone gives such a "1" vote and arrives at that result in good spirits, considering the quality of work and your other votes. In other words, I think it is just more likely that you have just voted that one person a "1" because you have a grudge of some kind. That happens. Either way, it's a strange vote, and it's totally justified if someone receiving such a vote has this sort of weirded out vibe about it, too, and wants to ask you about it, imo.

[Harry_HH]

Hmmm...according to your statement, you decide, what the voter should consider of good piece.
Ins´t that a bit dangerous path? I think the taste of always a subjective thing - that´s the whole point of the open challenge.

No, I don't decide, and you know that too. The main point is, just by glancing at the votes after you brought this up, I agree it is unlikely that someone gives such a "1" vote and arrives at that result in good spirits, considering the quality of work and your other votes. In other words, I think it is just more likely that you have just voted that one person a "1" because you have a grudge of some kind. That happens. Either way, it's a strange vote, and it's totally justified if someone receiving such a vote has this sort of weirded out vibe about it, too, and wants to ask you about it, imo.

Here you go again: you tell what should be likely or not from the voters point of view.
It doesn´t sound very open to me, we have in my neighborhood different understanding of the democracy. As long as this is an open challenge, and not your private sandbox, you shouldn´t pick up single votes and judge what is "correctly voted" or "incorrectly voted".

[Guenon]

Here you go again: you tell what should be likely or not from the voters point of view.

No, I tell what is likely as in statistically likely. In the case of that particular track, you are literally the only person who gave it a "1", and it's also the only "1" you gave anyone. This is, by definition, unlikely from the voters point of view -- statistically. And again, in my opinion it's okay for someone to ask you about such a vote if it feels weird.

[Harry_HH]

Here you go again: you tell what should be likely or not from the voters point of view.

No, I tell what is likely as in statistically likely. In the case of that particular track, you are literally the only person who gave it a "1", and it's also the only "1" you gave anyone. This is, by definition, unlikely from the voters point of view. And again, in my opinion it's okay for someone to ask you about such a vote if it feels weird.

Heh, heh, if you could define statistically a hit song, it was much easier for the producers.
Your reasoning here doesn´t make any sense, and you know that yourself.
Once you think its OK here to pick up one vote and define, if its "statistically correctly voted", we all liked to see your analysis of all the voters.

[Guenon]

Your reasoning here doesn´t make any sense, and you know that yourself.
Once you think its OK here to pick up one vote and define, if its "statistically correctly voted", we all liked to see your analysis of all the voters.

No, I don't know that myself . I think my reasoning was pretty cool there, actually. Hehe.

You are also already subtly arguing a different thing. The question is now, "is it OK here to pick up one vote and define if it's 'statistically correctly voted?" Now, slippery slope calling and all that; this was about a PM you received from a participant you voted in the above manner, and yeah, in my opinion it's perfectly okay to ask about a vote that is this much of an outlier, especially if it feels weird in the receiving end. You know, ask about it and what was the reasoning behind the opinion that nobody else shared with you, and in turn, even you yourself only felt when listening to that one particular track.

After all, if it's all an open vote, and everyone (including the voter) is really participating in good spirits, discussing such a rare opinion shouldn't be a problem.

[wagtunes]

I can see both sides of this issue so I'm not going to take sides. When one vote stands out and the overall quality of the work doesn't seem to fit the vote based on other entries, one could say that this looks suspicious. On the other hand, some people hate The Beatles and they're generally regarded as one of the greatest musical groups of all time.

No one can know what is in the heart of a man. I've always suspected that many of the 1s I receive in this contest are because of my reputation here. Some people flat out hate me. Doctor Bob commented on my track this month that it's my best entry so far. Trust me, I will still get 8 or 9 1s and be at the bottom of the list. I've come to accept that and have made my peace with it. I didn't enter this month to see how well I would do. I entered because this is one of my favorite synths ever and I just could not enter. But make no mistake about it. I will be at or near the bottom as always.

Guenon, if Harry says he truly thinks the song is a 1, you need to take him at his word unless you have definitive proof that his vote was malicious.

Harry, only you know the truth. But I absolutely agree with Guenon. It looks very suspicious.

Then again, I detest rap music and some people love it.

There is no accounting for taste.