Overloud TH1 Guitar System released!

[ccosta]

and the real knobs to mess around !

that can be done with an amp-sim
look at PODs...

I was talking moving knobs and sounding good , lol !

We can also hook up a midi controller to a amp-sim, and turn a few knobs.

[fanfarecircuit]

i'm buying th1 today. pace is a minor issue when you get down to how wonderful this software is. i'm really excited about the quality of this software after demoing all week.

[Simone Coen]

I was talking moving knobs and sounding good , lol !

We can also hook up a midi controller to a amp-sim, and turn a few knobs.

Nice one!



Right, hook it up... but I'd rather have power under my feet as a guitar player...
knobs are for learned people... my animal and spontaneous side needs to stomp stuff like a 2 y.o. kid!
then, for the engineer-hat moments... knobs and faders all of the time!
Maybe I should try to lay down on the floor a touch LCD and use TH1 Smart Control switches in that way....

[jkleban]

The demos for TH1 certainly sound GREAT. I too am a AT2 nut and I have all the different flavors and really appreciate X-GEAR to combine them up.

My concern for TH1 is the LACK of stomp box effects as compared to AT2. Are there any plans to expand these stomp boxes (the more the merrier) modeled after existing real world effects? I personally am interested in the "vintage" stomp boxes.

I also am interested to know the CPU load of TH1 vs AT2. Anybody have any insight into this?

Thanks,
Jim

[koolkeys]

I don't have AT2, but from what I've heard, the CPU usage on TH-1 is extremely small in comparison. I do know that TH-1 is next to nothing on the CPU, just like Breverb is. I literally don't even notice it.

Brent

[Simone Coen]

My concern for TH1 is the LACK of stomp box effects as compared to AT2. Are there any plans to expand these stomp boxes (the more the merrier) modeled after existing real world effects? I personally am interested in the "vintage" stomp boxes.

Thanks,
Jim

I can't see a big lack of stomp box effects as a 1.0 version personally...
3 Overdrive
6 Distortion
3 Fuzz
4 Chorus
1 Compressor
3 phaser
1 Octaver
1 Tremolo
2 Vibrato
3 Wah (actually one of the wah is 2 wah in 1... emulating the vintage and modern reissue of that model)
1 Acoustic Simulator

28 Stomp box, more than any single version of the software you use.

Also, since TH1 doesn't care about where you place stuff (and how many modules you load), racks can be used in place of stomp boxes anywhere.

Of course we'll expand the stomp box arsenal over the time and rest assured that we'll focus both on the modern-side and the vintage side of things.

Best,

[shogger]

I also am interested to know the CPU load of TH1 vs AT2. Anybody have any insight into this?

Thanks,
Jim

Hi Jim,

compare for yourself with my numbers.
I have a Q6600 @3.2GHz, running @44kHz with a buffer of 128 samples.

1 amp, 1 cab with 2 mics and ambience on: 1.3% CPU.
Added a room reverb: 1.6%
Added a tape delay: 1.6%
Added a Chorus: 1.6%
Added a TubeScreamer: 1.9%
So the signal is now: TubeScreamer, Amp, Cab, 2 mics with ambience turned on, Chorus, Tape Delay, Room Reverb resulting in a CPU hit of 1.9% while sounding simply gorgeous.
Running the whole shebang at 96kHz for that little extra creamyness it uses 3.4% of my CPU.

You get the idea.

Shogger

[ccosta]

I was talking moving knobs and sounding good , lol !

We can also hook up a midi controller to a amp-sim, and turn a few knobs.

Nice one!



Right, hook it up... but I'd rather have power under my feet as a guitar player...
knobs are for learned people... my animal and spontaneous side needs to stomp stuff like a 2 y.o. kid!
then, for the engineer-hat moments... knobs and faders all of the time!
Maybe I should try to lay down on the floor a touch LCD and use TH1 Smart Control switches in that way....

Dont use boots , lol !

TH1 Smart Control switches: great feature

[zerocrossing]

The demos for TH1 certainly sound GREAT. I too am a AT2 nut and I have all the different flavors and really appreciate X-GEAR to combine them up.

My concern for TH1 is the LACK of stomp box effects as compared to AT2. Are there any plans to expand these stomp boxes (the more the merrier) modeled after existing real world effects? I personally am interested in the "vintage" stomp boxes.

I also am interested to know the CPU load of TH1 vs AT2. Anybody have any insight into this?

Thanks,
Jim

I do I do! TH1 is indeed significantly less resource hungry than XGEAR, but it's hard to say exactly how different but my guess is similar patches use about 20% less CPU.

It's not for free though. I spent a lot of time with TH1 this week and while we're all in love with the new kid in town, the fact of the matter is that the extra CPU usages in Amplitube translates to better tone. This is my opinion, of course, but both applications have demos for you to try to make your own decision. While the TH1 doesn't sound bad at all, I feel it lacks the complexity and life that the Amplitube 2 models have. If your guitar part is going to get buried in the mix, you won't hear this difference at all. If it's a solo guitar or a prominent part of your mix, I think the IK stuff is just plain and simply better.

I'm actually going to play around with it a bit more today, because I'm still interested in having a second modeler for those times when I'm running out of CPU or when I want a different tone. I still have to put it up against Guitar Rig or Revalver (both software I've rejected before) so I have a clear idea of what I like the best.

As for Stompboxes.... I think it's got a decent complement of bread and butter stuff built in. This is V1 so who knows what they may add to it in future releases. If you have and love Amplitube, I think you'll find that TH1 is not a replacement for it.

[Simone Coen]

Thanks for putting us (almost) in the same league as part of our competition.
I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with you.
In the end, for me, it's about choosing the right color for your needs, or get more tools to have more colors in your canvas.

In case you change your mind... let me know... PM me and I'll be happy

[gchirag]

Guys it's good to hear about the touch of real amps no doubt.

For me It's sexy just to touch a JCM800 and that's dame true.

Dave Mustaine from Megadeath has also been using Amp Sims and the guitarist from Janes Addiction uses amp sims too. Motley Crue recorded the guitars with only Digidesign Eleven.

Dave Mustaine also uses Digidesign Eleven for his tones now. Please no comparing Amps sims because they all provide something unique right so we don't a amp sim war.

So amp sims are making there way into the Hard Rock/Metal world too. Janes Addiction said that Digidesigns Eleven actually made him work more on his chops because it sounded so great that he gave up the huge hassle on real amps.

I believe Amp sims are dead cool no doubt about it. I love TH1 so much that i have stopped using other amp sims and plug-ins because I believe in TH1 a lot.

I have created many stellar heavy metal tones.

[jkleban]

So, I guess I have been swayed to try out TH1... how much is this thing?

Jim

PS - is there a special deal or anything?

[tadam]

I own several classic rigs, from moded JCM 800 to 60's Vibroverb, Marshall 30th anniversary, Carvin Quad-x, JMP 100. Also I own digital setups as VG-8, VG-88, VG-99 and POD x3.
I use software too. They can be compared.
To the comparison be fully effective, in terms of emulation, i believe that monitoring thru
top shelf speakers and converters, something better than half decent DI makes all the difference. Not to speak about the guitar, some great amps with some great guitars just don't match. It's a no go. Some el cheapo guitar can do magic hooked to a JCM 900 also, it's a matter of trial and error a guitar player has to endure. Once it came to emulations, it seems that only one size fits all is the expectation, I don't think so.

I don't care for amps when recording guitars, because if i can tell them apart in a live situation, that is harder to tell in a mix. On top i look to ampsims not as a substitute but as something else. They have their weaknesses, they have their strengths... For once i dont need no smartass engineer, mics, room'. Today they sound real nice, they do the job.

[fanfarecircuit]

So, I guess I have been swayed to try out TH1... how much is this thing?

Jim

PS - is there a special deal or anything?

i just bought it. i demoed it for a week and could not resist. right now it's 15% off as an intro price.

[buscemi]

Good discussion, can't wait to try it out more. Have an iLok on the way so if (well, most likely this is a WHEN not an if) I buy TH1 it can be one of the things I transfer there and move among machines. That's important for flexibility of recording from the couch, to the home studio, to the hotel room (like Sascha explains), to anywhere for me. I didn't do an apples-for-apples comparison but it does take far less CPU overall than the Amplitube stuff (especially when using X-Gear to tie them all together).

On the amps and amp sim recording discussion, I do find myself with one problem: I know a bonus is to record at "bedroom levels" late at night and such if you need to but when I like the sound I find I'm cranking the monitors in the home studio up LOUD! Well, I suppose the option is there and I do use sims quietly at times too but I truly enjoy it cranked just like I do with a real amp. OK, not as loud as a maxed 100W Marshall or anything but I value my hearing enough not to be in the same room with something like that nowadays

As stated before, the reaction/feel/whatever is very important. I find both TH1 and AT2 products achieve this pretty well. I haven't played with TH1 enough to get a long term feel, and I know at times I need to adjust things a bit with the Amplitube stuff when I notice I'm not "feeling" it but I usually can get around it with some tweaks - though at those times it is inconvenient to the workflow.

Decent monitoring and DI is a good point made just above me here, I would love to grab one of those Radial DI boxes and run it into the new interface that's on the way. Maybe after Christmas