Plogue OPS7 (bit-accurate DX7 emulation!)

[davidv@plogue]

Then my next question is ..
How to convert fermata files to sysex ?
Take all the time you need to get this sorted in a fluid way , ops still rocks

Load a top (fermatax preset), go in A or B, and save in a SYSEX slot, then save your full SYX bank.
You can then reuse your .syx bank, or merge it with other things, exporting to HW. The only catch is that you lose the extended features.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Is there any chance of adding "right click A - select Copy" and "right-click B, select Paste" type of functionality? I think that will alleviate a lot of the workflow related issues.

[davidv@plogue]

Is there any chance of adding "right click A - select Copy" and "right-click B, select Paste" type of functionality? I think that will alleviate a lot of the workflow related issues.

Not sure if you mean something else than the already existing "Grab B" when in A and "Grab A" when in B?

[gentleclockdivider]

Then my next question is ..
How to convert fermata files to sysex ?
Take all the time you need to get this sorted in a fluid way , ops still rocks

Load a top (fermatax preset), go in A or B, and save in a SYSEX slot, then save your full SYX bank.
You can then reuse your .syx bank, or merge it with other things, exporting to HW. The only catch is that you lose the extended features.

There is something buggy going on
I load a user pad synth (fermata ) from the top panel , then click save in the patch panel dropdown , location 1.. it shows up in the sysex panel..good
I then change to user location 2 ( left patch panel or in sysex panel ) ) and try to save another (user fermata ) patch in slot
Slot 1 is automatically wipped when changing to sysex slot 2 and when switching user patches .
Def. a bug
Steps to reproduce
-load a user patch from top panel (panel A )
-press save in patch panel , will auomatically be saved in location 1
-jump to location 2 in patch panel and load a new use preset ( fermata ) ,
it automatically overwrites location 1which has the previous preset stored

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Is there any chance of adding "right click A - select Copy" and "right-click B, select Paste" type of functionality? I think that will alleviate a lot of the workflow related issues.

Not sure if you mean something else than the already existing "Grab B" when in A and "Grab A" when in B?

I had no idea that's what that button did. Suppose I could've read the manual. Copy A and Copy B would be more clear names IMO, but now that I know it's called Grab A/B, that's fine. Thanks for pointing that out.

[jbraner]

Steps to reproduce
-load a user patch from top panel (panel A )
-press save in patch panel , will auomatically be saved in location 1

I think you need to save the user patch now - see below

-jump to location 2 in patch panel and load a new use preset ( fermata ) ,
it automatically overwrites location 1which has the previous preset stored

I think I'm figuring out how the patches and presets work.
When you save a fermatax (user preset at the top) preset - it also saves the patches in bank A and B. I didn't realise this before.
If you save a preset with a patch in A-1 and B-1 - those patches come up again when you load the preset.
If you save preset-2 with a different patch in A-1 and a different patch in B-1 - then the different patches come up (in A-1 and B-1) when you load preset-2.

You *do* have to be careful when you change to the different patches, that you actually load them (just click the patch name and choose from the list) in the A and B screen - but I think I see how this works now.

Either it wasn't doing this before - or else I just didn't see how it was working.
I had been just loading patches in the syx screen, so their settings were loaded in the A and B screens, then I was clearing the banks in the syx screen (because you don't need them) and saving the fermatax preset. The fermatax presets work fine like this - they just don't display anything on the A and B patch screens.


Please don't give up on us Dave (I'm joking!) I think it's starting to make sense

[Bulbizarre]

I did a bit of testing along with Dexed and bought it but only for the interface. Evenloppe is glitchy on some patches for Dexed, sounds clean on OP7. Sounds a tad clearer on pads/strings. But overall soundwise it's exactly the same though, I was pretty impressed by Dexed since it's free and quite old.

[davidv@plogue]

Please don't give up on us Dave (I'm joking!) I think it's starting to make sense

Nah, I'm not a quitter, I just gave up trying to please certain people which will always demand more and never be happy. I also discovered the mute button which is a revelation I must say. I just want to have a civil discussion.

Yes the preset stuff is convoluted. Trying to have so many (often contradictory) features and workflows in the same plugin was not only hard to implement and test, but is also hard to explain correctly. And we have a list of issues to look at.

Thanks

[davidv@plogue]

There is something buggy going on
I load a user pad synth (fermata ) from the top panel , then click save in the patch panel dropdown , location 1.. it shows up in the sysex panel..good
I then change to user location 2 ( left patch panel or in sysex panel ) ) and try to save another (user fermata ) patch in slot
Slot 1 is automatically wipped when changing to sysex slot 2 and when switching user patches .

Revisiting some parts of that code now, I did notice an oddity there too.

[jbraner]

Please don't give up on us Dave (I'm joking!) I think it's starting to make sense

Nah, I'm not a quitter, I just gave up trying to please certain people which will always demand more and never be happy. I also discovered the mute button which is a revelation I must say. I just want to have a civil discussion.

Yes the preset stuff is convoluted. Trying to have so many (often contradictory) features and workflows in the same plugin was not only hard to implement and test, but is also hard to explain correctly. And we have a list of issues to look at.

Thanks

OK good - 'cause it happened right after my post, and all I was trying to do was get my head around the presets

[gentleclockdivider]

Steps to reproduce
-load a user patch from top panel (panel A )
-press save in patch panel , will auomatically be saved in location 1

I think you need to save the user patch now - see below

-jump to location 2 in patch panel and load a new use preset ( fermata ) ,
it automatically overwrites location 1which has the previous preset stored

I think I'm figuring out how the patches and presets work.
When you save a fermatax (user preset at the top) preset - it also saves the patches in bank A and B. I didn't realise this before.
If you save a preset with a patch in A-1 and B-1 - those patches come up again when you load the preset.
If you save preset-2 with a different patch in A-1 and a different patch in B-1 - then the different patches come up (in A-1 and B-1) when you load preset-2.

You *do* have to be careful when you change to the different patches, that you actually load them (just click the patch name and choose from the list) in the A and B screen - but I think I see how this works now.

Either it wasn't doing this before - or else I just didn't see how it was working.
I had been just loading patches in the syx screen, so their settings were loaded in the A and B screens, then I was clearing the banks in the syx screen (because you don't need them) and saving the fermatax preset. The fermatax presets work fine like this - they just don't display anything on the A and B patch screens.


Please don't give up on us Dave (I'm joking!) I think it's starting to make sense

I know how the patch system works , yes two panels and these can be saved as a fermata patch that either has panel A or A nd B activated , I know how the sysex loading works etc..and how to make a sysex selection to appear in panel A , B ..this is not about that .
There is some confussion going on about what people mean by user patch , I mean fermata user patches ( top panel , no sysex ) and how to load two different single panel fermata patches (previously saved ) in both panels for layering
Of course these are saved before I load them in the left patch panel , these are fermata patches I have created since ops wa released.
I can load a (fermata ) patch , and save it in patch panel A (left section )user location one , that's not a problem
Now , if I want to audition a next user (fermata )user patch (top panel ) you can't load it in destination 2 wihtout overwriting destination 1

Just try it
Load one of your patches , and press save in the patch panel ( left )

Now try loading another user patch ( you want to audition your pathces befor making a layer ) and try to save it to destination 2 (again left panel )
Destination 1 is overwriten

[gentleclockdivider]

Edit it's def. a bug
Something (fermata) patches stored (as sysex ) in the left panel A are replaced by totally different ones when adding new ones to the pool

I think I found out , YOU NEED to rename the saved sysex patch in the patch panel .
Still finding some oddities ..it's comes down to execution order , the list can be messed up when you're writing on an already saved location

[Hanz Meyzer]

@david: Will the demo version be updated with your latest performance improvements, too? That would be great, to estimate the cpu load

[jbraner]

I think I found out , YOU NEED to rename the saved sysex patch in the patch panel .

That's what I was trying to say - as a guess, not as a "knowledgeable answer"

I think when you loaded your second fermatax preset - it overwrites what's in patch destination 1 (with whatever was there when *it* was saved) so you're not able to do what you want to do.

I'm just thinking out loud but I think that you might need to work from the syx page to do what you're trying to do, and when you eventually get there, *then* save as a feratax preset (?)

Or else, maybe you need to save "intermediate (fermatax) presets" , with various "saves" along the way - to get where you're trying to get.

I'm just hoping that somewhere along the line - a "aha" moment might occur

I'm following your conversation because I'm really interested in "2 patch presets" too.
(and also trying to figure out how the hell this stuff works)

[gentleclockdivider]

I think I found out , YOU NEED to rename the saved sysex patch in the patch panel .

That's what I was trying to say - as a guess, not as a "knowledgeable answer"

I think when you loaded your second fermatax preset - it overwrites what's in patch destination 1 (with whatever was there when *it* was saved) so you're not able to do what you want to do.

I'm just thinking out loud but I think that you might need to work from the syx page to do what you're trying to do, and when you eventually get there, *then* save as a feratax preset (?)

Or else, maybe you need to save "intermediate (fermatax) presets" , with various "saves" along the way - to get where you're trying to get.

I'm just hoping that somewhere along the line - a "aha" moment might occur

I'm following your conversation because I'm really interested in "2 patch presets" too.
(and also trying to figure out how the hell this stuff works)

You can do most of it from the first page .
Load your preset ( top bar )
Click save in the( left) patch panel , choose destination and then click rename ,enter name
Go to he next empty location ( important )
Choose your second preset , save , choose location etc.,,
Then go to the sysex panel where you'll see all your patches as sysex in column A
Ctrl - click all patches and drag from column A to B , this will copy-paste them.
Now your patches are available for latering in panel A -B .
Edit: save the sysex list if you want to import all your patches as sysex
There is still a bug where the first patch is overwritten , it does not always happen,trying to find out how to replicate it exactly

The biggest issue however ,is that saved (sysex) patches LOOSE their extended feaures , iow muliple feedback operators are lost .
So if you want to layer your patches which has extended features you made the day before , forget about it ..it's not possible
This is imho a major flaw