2CAudio Precedence | 1.5 | Move Out Of Flatland. Take Precedence.

[Gamma-UT]

At first, I thought "who cares?" with the automation thing. But I can see a solid case for having it because you can't make a smart panel in Logic or attach the distance/angle controls to a knob in an Ableton rack without it. I can see situations where it's going to be easier to set up a mix if you have smart panels on the PB+J combo even if you're not going to move things around at all between sections as it avoids having to open the panel for each instance which could get really tiresome on an orchestral mix template.

So, yes, making those parameters (glitches and all) would make more sense - maybe at the cost of a few more complaints about glitching.

[jens]

And it's not just that…

I'll give you a super simple example (anf I could come up with a hundred more):

for a song-intro a single centered guitar plays some chords with bits of a melody - let's say this chord-movents repeats twice
then the last chord is just strummed once and dies out

Then the first verse kicks in. The guitar from the intro keeps repeating the same thing, but now is panned somwhat towards the left (say 40%). Also bass & drums kick in and a second guitar that plays something slightly different - perhaps it elaborates on the melodic bits the first guitar plays. This second guitar is panned towards the right.

The panning here may have a dramatic effect. The music starts quite narrow for the intro, then becomes much wider for the first verse. Something like this is a super-common thing - very effective and normally quite easy to do.

And I do stuff like that all the time.

With Precendence though you'd have to create a second track just for the intro. If you later on wanted to (say) EQ the guitar, you'd have to apply the changes to two tracks. So tedious, such a pain in the arse - why oh why?

This could be done easily With Precedence without any artifacts. All they'd need to do is to expose the Parameter to the host.

But they chose not to do so, just because they make different music and can't see a reason why anyone would want to automate the panning, special realtime fx aside.
I call it - frankly put - lack of musical insight and experience on their side. They have no use for it, so I should have no use for it either.

[Cinebient]

I also would like automations (even with some glitches, clicks) and i tried other tools which do similar things but Precedence and Breeze 2 just sounds so much better for me. Even using Precedence now always also as "normal" panning tool all the time.
Like with their reverbs they explained several times why they did it this way.
Could they allow automations (and midi learn) on everything, sure but maybe most people would just bitch about the glitches.
Same with B2, it is by far the best sounding reverb for me but if i want a reverb to modulate parameters i need another tool.
I´m fine with that.
Alone the multi-instance editing is a real game changer for me.
Of course it would be nice to have all kinds of smooth automations but it just not work with their plug-ins. What´s next? Binaural, dolby atmos etc.
Still there is nothing i tried yet with such a sense of depth in the sound as when i use Precedence, especially if you add a lot instances (and even more together with Breeze 2).
I can understand why people miss automations but i would buy it every time again and for me personally it is one of the very few real game changer FX plug-ins.
I mean i did not try things like Spat Revolution or in similar price range.
I did not find anything better as Precedence yet for free or under 200 so far.
So if i want moving spaces i use my binaural tools but still they sound not as good as Precedence for a fixed distance and angle.
Of course there are workarounds here as well. Also while it sounds amazing but is so low on cpu, i can run dozens of instances on my old notebook.
However, just my personal useless meaning but Precedence is the first thing i think of when someone says indeed "Move out of flatland".

[Cinebient]

Oh and i just see that indeed (mainly) all parameters are for automation in Logic 10.5.
So everything solved for me anyway, lol.

[filulilu]

Plogue Bidule can "see" the parameters of Precedence. One can mount Precedence in Plogue Bidule and use Plogue Bidule as a AU or VST in their DAW.

[axb312]

Just checking: there's currently no deal for Precendence if you already have breeze 2.*?

email us and we will take a look at what we can do...

https://2caudio.com/support/contact

Hello Andrew ,

What news/ updates for Precendce and Breeze?

[XComposer]

Hello also from me… …and is the process of updating Aether and B2 in order to improve their code and make them able to work with Precedence still ongoing? I really hope so: I have been testing a lot of reverbs, lately, old and new ones, and yours are absolutely still among the very best ones! Just curious if things are secretly going on there…

[jens]

They have been pretty silent for a while - I assume (and certainly hope) that B-tutu is around the corner now...

[jancivil]

so people are asserting parameters are not exposed to hosts?
I finally just bought it, 100 bucks presently, installed the full version etc
In VE Pro these are exposed:

Precedence auto.jpg

However Cubase 10.5 only sees
Input Gain
Mod Depth
Bypass

and does not write automation from mouse manipulations at all

[Andrew Souter]

They have been pretty silent for a while - I assume (and certainly hope) that B-tutu is around the corner now...

Thanks for the concern. We hope everyone here it safe and sound in these crazy times. We are perfectly fine. We've just been using this time go deep into the RnD rabbit hole and in our world, this usually means pretty alien mathematics work. I tend to become a bit antisocial at such times because our work requires certain levels of obsessiveness to make perfect.

We usually do a summer promotion around early June, so people tend to hear from us at that time, but to be perfectly honest, in the May-June timeframe I was hoping this pandemic stuff might be better by July-August, so I decided to postpone our summer event by a month or two. In hindsight, the extra month or two didn't seem to help much unfortunately. The net result nonetheless is we waited a bit longer than anticipated, but we did just email everyone:

https://2caudio.com/promo/2020EndOfSummer/

We also just posted a pretty cool interview with some amazing dance music artists/producers/remixers Sultan and Shepard:

https://www.2caudio.com/network/artists/SultanShepard

I really love their work, and they are awesome guys!

We haven't slowed down. Just working in stealth mode and I perhaps assumed an extra layer of stealth was acceptable since the world had been a bit upside down lately.

We are working on 2.0 versions of Aether, B2, and Kaleidoscope, release order yet to be finalized, as well as some new products.

If there were questions about Precedence, Breeze, PBJ that I missed somewhere in another thread, please ask them here. I'll monitor this one and am happy to answer questions!

Thanks for the compliments on PBJ. Glad everyone is liking it!

[Ploki]

so people are asserting parameters are not exposed to hosts?
I finally just bought it, 100 bucks presently, installed the full version etc
In VE Pro these are exposed:
Precedence auto.jpg
However Cubase 10.5 only sees
Input Gain
Mod Depth
Bypass

and does not write automation from mouse manipulations at all

odd. I get the same automation set in Logic Pro X as you do in VEP.
Also i can automate them and it works fine

[jancivil]

Yeah, Cubase is reading the VEP Auto params, so I'm in bidness. I'd think there's some way to see the others in Cubase, but frankly Cubase's handling of exactly this is reason numero uno for using VEP.

[Winstontaneous]

Good to hear you are well, and doubling down on crazy math and product updates.

We are working on 2.0 versions of Aether, B2, and Kaleidoscope, release order yet to be finalized, as well as some new products.

Please release them in that order, thanks!

[Cinebient]

Good to hear you are well, and doubling down on crazy math and product updates.

We are working on 2.0 versions of Aether, B2, and Kaleidoscope, release order yet to be finalized, as well as some new products.

Please release them in that order, thanks!

No, please the other way. Kaleidoscope, B2, Aether
But any is instant buy/upgrade for me anyway.

[jens]

Good to hear you are well, and doubling down on crazy math and product updates.

We are working on 2.0 versions of Aether, B2, and Kaleidoscope, release order yet to be finalized, as well as some new products.

Please release them in that order, thanks!

No, please the other way. Kaleidoscope, B2, Aether
But any is instant buy/upgrade for me anyway.

No, please B2 first - I don't care about the others...