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redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:48 pm

Squids wrote:The Marshall in Metal I believe is the JMP SuperLead 1959 MKII.

Also the Wah is not the T-Wah but the Vox 847. (the one in Hendrix is my personal 846 which I LOVE...)

Why all the confusion over the modeled gear from IKMM themselves?
Dan Boatman says it's a 2203 in the video, and the StompIO page says the Wah is a Boss T-Wah (an odd choice to be sure.) I would have figured a classic Morley or a red Fasel Crybaby. Or perhaps the Dunlop ZW45 Zakk Wylde Signature wah from the master of heavy metal wah madness himself.

So what's the story on the constantly changing gear? (including the Boss Metalzone getting swapped out for a HM-2)

Are we ever going to get some updated info from IK?
Or better yet, actually see (and hear) the product?

Sickle · Post by **Sickle** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:03 pm

Squids wrote:GL-100 eh? Hmmmm.

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:11 pm

redshift factor wrote:
Squids wrote:The Marshall in Metal I believe is the JMP SuperLead 1959 MKII.

Also the Wah is not the T-Wah but the Vox 847. (the one in Hendrix is my personal 846 which I LOVE...)
Why all the confusion over the modeled gear from IKMM themselves?
Dan Boatman says it's a 2203 in the video, and the StompIO page says the Wah is a Boss T-Wah (an odd choice to be sure.) I would have figured a classic Morley or a red Fasel Crybaby. Or perhaps the Dunlop ZW45 Zakk Wylde Signature wah from the master of heavy metal wah madness himself.

So what's the story on the constantly changing gear? (including the Boss Metalzone getting swapped out for a HM-2)

Are we ever going to get some updated info from IK?
Or better yet, actually see (and hear) the product?

Well of course there will be updated info and the product will be released when it is ready. As far as people like Dan and Jason... those guys aren't the developers. They don't always know and may speculate as to what they think it is or from what they heard in the midst of it being made. Because of what I do on the sound side providing samples for IK/SR products like SampleTron I am more in touch with the latest development info... and I ask because I am personally interested in the gear myself! (I like how you put your little wish list in there Red! I know what you're doing... requests?).

Not sure why a T-wah is mentioned. I think it was modeled as well but maybe not for "the wah". As I said, it is another Vox. I DO have a classic Morley. They look cool but they were never really that great IMO. I have a fuzz/wah. Great ads they had though. Never messed with a red Fasel Crybaby though but could it be that it was based on the Vox anyway? I think maybe it could be. Never tried the Dunlop.

I'd like to have a model of a Mutron III. The list goes on and on for me. I am a pedal fanatic.

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:31 pm

Squids wrote:I am a pedal fanatic.

Me too!

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:59 pm

Nah, I was just naming wah pedals I think are more associated with Metal.

Except for a Fasel inductor Crybaby (Dunlop Crybaby Classic GCB95F) none of those would be on my personal wishlist. I gave that a while back when you first announced IKMM was working on a mystery product that would contain the Vox 846. My list included the MXR Phase 90, MXR M-117 and Boss BF-2 flangers, Big Muff Pi, and ProCo RAT... so maybe someone at IK was listening... The Mu-Tron III was also on that list. I would also add a Hiwatt amp, though I would settle for a Sound City added to Jimi Hendrix Edition instead, as it really isn't his *complete* rig without one. Roger Mayer has stated that Sound City was used extensively on the 'Axis: Bold As Love' album.

I would add an Ampeg VL series amp to Ampeg SVX, perhaps the VL-503 (all 3 channels), just so there is a little something in there for guitarists, too.

My wishlist also included an MXR SmartGate or Rocktron HUSH. Traditional gates suck, and the one that is incorporated into AmpliTube products is no exception. The cool thing about the HUSH and I think the SmartGate as well is they use a dynamically controlled low-pass filter in conjunction with a downward expander so you get a more natural attack and decay instead of an abrupt all-or-nothing gate slamming shut. A noise reduction stompbox in AmpliTube would also give the user control over where the gate appears in the signal chain, so it could be placed after a distortion pedal, for example.

My wishlist would also include both the 1959 MKII and the JMP 2203 Master Volume (but neither a 50-watt JCM 800 2204 nor a JCM 900).

Though I do wonder a little about the wisdom of modeling a Marshall 1959 MKII and particularly a Vox 487 in Metal when Jimi Hendrix Edition has a Marshall 1959 and a Vox 486. I'm not too sure about how different these are from each other. A side-by-side comparison in X-GEAR should prove interesting.

I am also still wondering if there is a "script switch" on the Phase 90, or which version was modeled.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:48 pm

redshift factor wrote: I do wonder a little about the wisdom of putting a Marshall 1959 MKII and Vox 487 in Metal when Jimi Hendrix Edition has a Marshall 1959 and a Vox 486. I'm not too sure about how different these are from each other.

Honestly I don't totally understand IK's whole approach. Sure, I get packaging a "swiss army knife" Amplitube 2 that is fine for most people. I also get the JH and even Metal versions for those with specific needs that don't go beyond those genera. However, if you're like me (gear addict), and I suspect that a lot of guitarists are, why not offer an "ala carte" option? Maybe a "total" package? IKomplete?

Mark

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:54 pm

Whoops, I forgot to include a Marshall 1962 Bluesbreaker in that list!
IKMM has yet to model a GZ34 tube rectifier.

One thing that is worth noting is on the StompIO page, the JMP100 description says "An all-time classic, from it's origin in the 70s, through Aussie hard rock, crazy 80's metal and beyond. Few amps have rocked as hard, for as long."

The 1959 MKII was introduced in 1967. The 2203 was introduced in 1975.
That's one of the clues that had me suspecting it was modeled on the 2203.

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:04 pm

And an Echoplex. . . . . . . .

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:17 am

I just glanced through the X-gear manual.
However I don't see anything on either midi learn or a midi cc list that controls parameters in the different modules....
am I missing something?
this was the reason why I would really want x-gear in the first place...
rsp

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:57 am

redshift factor wrote:My wishlist also included an MXR SmartGate or Rocktron HUSH. Traditional gates suck, and the one that is incorporated into AmpliTube products is no exception. The cool thing about the HUSH and I think the SmartGate as well is they use a dynamically controlled low-pass filter in conjunction with a downward expander so you get a more natural attack and decay instead of an abrupt all-or-nothing gate slamming shut. A noise reduction stompbox in AmpliTube would also give the user control over where the gate appears in the signal chain, so it could be placed after a distortion pedal, for example.

plus one...the noise gate is my only complaint about AT2.

I'm surprised a good noisegate pedal wasn't emulated. Isn't that a part of every guitarist's pedal board?!

Flatout · Post by **Flatout** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:01 pm

zvenx wrote:I just glanced through the X-gear manual.
However I don't see anything on either midi learn or a midi cc list that controls parameters in the different modules....
am I missing something?
this was the reason why I would really want x-gear in the first place...
rsp

I was just wondering same thing as zvenx. X-gear pictures in Amplitube.com have "midi button" in the left side of the "stompIO button", but in manual pictures the "midi button" is missing. Which one is the recent picture?

zvenx · Post by **zvenx** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:08 pm

I am hoping that since it is version 1.0 of the manual, things have changed since then and this one only applies to the version that came with stomp i/o
rsp

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:13 pm

Squids wrote:Well of course there will be updated info and the product will be released when it is ready. As far as people like Dan and Jason... those guys aren't the developers. They don't always know and may speculate as to what they think it is or from what they heard in the midst of it being made.
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Not sure why a T-wah is mentioned. I think it was modeled as well but maybe not for "the wah".

I think that the first and foremost priority for all of us is that IKMM gets it right. But due to the constantly postponed release dates, the natives are understandably getting restless. I think if IK updated the product pages on Metal and X-GEAR to give interested customers some more complete and recent information that would buy them some additional time and goodwill. It would convey a sense of progress. I'd like clarification on the JMP100 model number, and to see the real graphics for it (not AT2's JCM 800), some info on the cabs, the right info on the wah... does Metal also include the Boss autowah stomp in addition to a Vox 847? Lets see all the stomps that are included laid out, because it's still quite confusing, and only getting moreso. Does the HM-2 completely replace Metalzone, or is it in addition? (The StompIO page also still shows the DS-1 and HM-2 mixed up.) Which Phase 90 did they model: block, logo, or EVH? There's still no official acknowledgement that it is in there at all. Are there any other goodies in there we don't know about yet?

C'mon guys, we've been waiting so long, throw us a bone. At least get the info straight on the StompIO page, a product that's currently for sale.

The latest information on the release of both Metal and X-GEAR was "sometime" this month, according to Dan Boatman Feb. 25, on GearWire.com. Does that still stand? Why does the Metal page still say November 2007?

It's the way IKMM leaves people hanging like this that gets people mad at them. The discussions we've had here have lead IKMM to make some changes, including the Phase 90 for sure, plus probably the talk about how much the Boss Metalzone sucks lead to the HM-2. Feedback from the community helps IKMM make a better product, but we need to be kept in the loop in order to do that.

BTW, whatever happened to the talk of IKMM getting their own forum, either on KVR or hosted on their site? They need some serious customer relations work. Poor Squids has been forced to carry that burden all on his own, but it's a full time job and he has his own businesses to run too.

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:21 am

Are we finally going to see AT Metal and X-GEAR released at Musikmesse 2008?

beergeek · Post by **beergeek** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:00 pm

redshift factor wrote:Are we finally going to see AT Metal and X-GEAR released at Musikmesse 2008?

From the Musikmesse site:

AmpliTube X-GEAR is included with the StompIO and will also be available separately at a list price of 79.99 EUR (ex VAT) shortly. Registered AmpliTube 2 user will be able to download AmpliTube X-GEAR 1.1 free-of-charge in their IK Multimedia User Area.

AmpliTube Metal - Released THIS month!!!