KVR Audio

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:17 pm

TheoM wrote:Yep you're right, sorry!

I will be trying all that stuff later though as you've now got me a bit curious!

No need to apologize. I wasn't trying to be right about anything, I was more just asking if my impressions about that were accurate or not since I don't own or use Logic and don't know.

I don't take any of this stuff personally. None of it is as important as some of the personal arguments between various people might suggest.

Thanks Theo.

Back on topic. X3 looks pretty nice.

Gonga · Post by **Gonga** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:55 pm

My plan is to keep X2 around for a few years until I finish the many projects on it, and rendered all the tracks into audio, then box up the cake.

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:09 pm

JoseC. wrote:It seems like many people just don't understand the most important changes, like ARA and the new VST engine, and just pay attention to the icing on the Cake (plugins and such). Just this seems to justify that Cakewalk need to sprinkle that candy over what seems a major technology upgrade. ARA brings drag and drop monophonic audio to midi (poly with the full Melodyne license), and opens the door to the possibility of integrating a third party notation tool in the near future.

The Cakewalk CTO has already said that ARA technology does not open the "door to the possibility of integrating a third party notation tool". But ARA is a very cool thing.

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:10 pm

double post

poonna · Post by **poonna** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:21 pm

vintagevibe wrote:The Cakewalk CTO has already said that ARA technology does not open the "door to the possibility of integrating a third party notation tool". But ARA is a very cool thing.

But since Presonus has acquired Notion, that might be a possibility. Sonar might just gain this without effort on their part.

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:41 pm

poonna wrote:
vintagevibe wrote:The Cakewalk CTO has already said that ARA technology does not open the "door to the possibility of integrating a third party notation tool". But ARA is a very cool thing.
But since Presonus has acquired Notion, that might be a possibility. Sonar might just gain this without effort on their part.

That would be cool. I gave up this year, however, and got Cubase 7. X3 looks good but I need notation and Cakewalk makes absolutely no effort in that area ever.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:44 pm

poonna wrote:
vintagevibe wrote:The Cakewalk CTO has already said that ARA technology does not open the "door to the possibility of integrating a third party notation tool". But ARA is a very cool thing.
But since Presonus has acquired Notion, that might be a possibility. Sonar might just gain this without effort on their part.

In what way does ARA connect to notation? And what makes you think that PreSonus, if it actually develops any kind of integration between Notion and Studio One, would open it to third parties (assuming it would be thorugh ARA, which I cannot see how)?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:51 pm

fmr wrote:
poonna wrote:
vintagevibe wrote:The Cakewalk CTO has already said that ARA technology does not open the "door to the possibility of integrating a third party notation tool". But ARA is a very cool thing.
But since Presonus has acquired Notion, that might be a possibility. Sonar might just gain this without effort on their part.
In what way does ARA connect to notation?

Since ARA is basically a mechanism for plugins which need to be able to see the 'whole' of a track with context info like tempo and pitch (cf. the short, contextless, buffer of samples a VST sees) it actually connects to it quite well.

And what makes you think that PreSonus, if it actually develops any kind of integration between Notion and Studio One, would open it to third parties (assuming it would be thorugh ARA, which I cannot see how)?

I'd guess he's thinking of Notion staying a separate thing that they can still sell separately.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 3:51 pm

fmr wrote:In what way does ARA connect to notation? And what makes you think that PreSonus, if it actually develops any kind of integration between Notion and Studio One, would open it to third parties (assuming it would be thorugh ARA, which I cannot see how)?

No idea if ARA would have any relation to something like Notion, but I could see them making whatever they do (if anything new) with it open, because they own Notion and having some kind of open connection standard that's maybe better than what's being used with scoring apps now, might sell more copies of Notion... like I guess ARA might sell more copies of Melodyne.

Of course, a thing like that would have to be "better" than how it already connects to daws now or it would be mostly pointless. Having the full Notion app embedded in the daw (not a functional subset, but the full app running docked, looking native) seems very "ARA-like" to me... minus the "audio" part I guess.

No idea what they plan to do (if anything at all) integration wise with S1 but it would stand to reason that if they do anything beneficial, opening it up to other products would also be a good idea since they also own and sell Notion.

I suppose we'll have to wait and see what happens.

P.S. I thought Sonar already had scoring? Maybe I'm wrong about that though.

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:02 pm

ARA does not deal with MIDI so it is useless for notation.

poonna · Post by **poonna** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:07 pm

vintagevibe wrote:ARA does not deal with MIDI so it is useless for notation.

I haven't looked into the ARA spec, but if ARA doesn't deal with MIDI, how would Melodyne extract MIDI and send it back to the host?

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:09 pm

vintagevibe wrote:ARA does not deal with MIDI so it is useless for notation.

That's what I thought. Thanks. I haven't seen the API so I don't know what's in there.

At any rate I think what most are really talking about is the general "embedding like integration" like Melodyne ARA. Something that might work better than re-wire maybe... dunno... can't say I've used external scoring apps so I don't know what potential issues there are there to solve.

Of course (cue random speculation from the clueless) there's maybe no reason why they couldn't just add midi capability to the API... if (of which I have no clue) it might be beneficial in some way to do that.

poonna wrote:I haven't looked into the ARA spec, but if ARA doesn't deal with MIDI, how would Melodyne extract MIDI and send it back to the host?

Good question.

vintagevibe · Post by **vintagevibe** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:12 pm

poonna wrote:
vintagevibe wrote:ARA does not deal with MIDI so it is useless for notation.
I haven't looked into the ARA spec, but if ARA doesn't deal with MIDI, how would Melodyne extract MIDI and send it back to the host?

Melodyne does that but according to Noel Brothwick the ARA spec is audio only.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:16 pm

I can't understand what's going on in here regarding DAW and notation, but ther's already an open standerd for notation within a DAW, It's called Music XML, and is supported by all the major notation programs, as well as Cubase. So, if Caewalk wnat's to have some notation intehration, it's as easy as fully support Music XML. No need to reinvent the wheel.

poonna · Post by **poonna** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:19 pm

vintagevibe wrote:Melodyne does that but according to Noel Brothwick the ARA spec is audio only.

That's too bad if it's all it does. If it's true, then let's hope there will be ARA 2.0 with MIDI capabilities added.

Cakewalk Sonar X3