Now Hive is here, is it RIP Sylenth?

[garryknight]

I'm convinced that Hive will become a constant staple with more and more people. It doesn't need to be as popular as Sylenth. It won't be as long as Sylenth is faster to get for free than to buy in their antique shop (no immediate serial delivery IIRC). Because the only thing that's worse for a synth than being cracked is when a direct competitor is cracked. That's why I offer help with copy protection to other developers for free, it's in my own interest if their stuff isn't cracked. But even though it was suggested to Lennar several times in forums, no-one has ever contacted us yet. I hope they do the right thing and invest into a good protection.

- U

And talking of protection, their latest tech prevents Sylenth1 from being used on a system that incorporates virtual technology.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 4&t=454228

This is a killer for those of us that rely on being able to run virtual machines. I found a fix, though it won't suit a great many other users. Not that it matters much to me, anyway, as Hive has become my workhorse synth due to its easy programmability and modern sound.

[Urs]

Well, so the next crack will probably then work in a virtualized environment. Win for warez, punishment for legit users.

[deastman]

the problem we hive is that you didn t really try to do a sylenth v2 with all the features people would like to see in sylenth

I think that many people have already done "Sylenth V2" by adding more oscillators, more layers, more everything. Yet, none has become "Sylenth V2". They're all "Yep, nice, yep very powerful, but no, not as good as Sylenth".

My stance is that Hive improves over Sylenth by reducing the surplus while adding tiny little things that make a big difference (FX order, ModMatrix targets, drag'n'drop modulation, filter routing). The reduced feature set of Hive's 2x Osc/SubOsc vs Sylenth 4x Osc still allows for practically the same sounds. We have analysed thousands of Sylenth sounds and there was practically none that Hive couldn't do despite the reduced feature set.

But of course, on paper it's always "the more features the more powerful". But what if those features hardly get used and commonly get in the way of sound design? - The result is a synth that technically outperforms Sylenth (or Hive), but just doesn't deliver in the long run.

I'm convinced that Hive will become a constant staple with more and more people. It doesn't need to be as popular as Sylenth. It won't be as long as Sylenth is faster to get for free than to buy in their antique shop (no immediate serial delivery IIRC). Because the only thing that's worse for a synth than being cracked is when a direct competitor is cracked. That's why I offer help with copy protection to other developers for free, it's in my own interest if their stuff isn't cracked. But even though it was suggested to Lennar several times in forums, no-one has ever contacted us yet. I hope they do the right thing and invest into a good protection.

- U

I know I'm not in the majority here, but I don't own Sylenth and never had the slightest interest in it. I bought Hive solely on the strength of it being a U-he product. I think it sounds great, and the streamlined feature set makes it a go-to for me whenever I just want basic straightforward sounds without a lot of CPU overhead. I couldn't be happier with it, and don't care how it compares to synth x.

[Urs]

I bought Hive solely on the strength of it being a U-he product. I think it sounds great, and the streamlined feature set makes it a go-to for me whenever I just want basic straightforward sounds without a lot of CPU overhead. I couldn't be happier with it, and don't care how it compares to synth x.

Thank you!

[fluffy_little_something]

Someone in this thread is pretty full of themselves...

[Urs]

Someone in this thread is pretty full of themselves...

Please explain?

[fluffy_little_something]

Someone in this thread is pretty full of themselves...

Please explain?

Well, since of all the posters in this thread it is you that replied, you seem to know exactly what I mean

[Urs]

Someone in this thread is pretty full of themselves...

Please explain?

Well, since of all the posters in this thread it is you that replied, you seem to know exactly what I mean

Yes, I know who you mean. You always do.

But no, I don't know what you mean.

[aumordia]

I predict Sylenth1 is going to remain ahead of Hive, and a lot of folks here are going to continue to not "get it," like the nerd who assumes that the only reason he's unpopular is because the other kids are bullies.

If the additional features were all it would take to displace Sylenth1, freakin' Retrologue would have claimed the crown way back. Heck, even at Gearslutz (hardly a bastion of scr1ptk1dd13s, these people actually like Keyscape), Sylenth1 is in the top 10 synths of 2016, whereas Hive isn't even on the list -- though a gaggle of U-he plugs are (and rightly so!), so come on, take a deep breath and relax.

This thread seems to have morphed from "Has Hive killed Sylenth1?" to "Dammit! Hive should have killed Sylenth1! No, there is no legitimate reason why it hasn't! Waaaaaaaa!" Guitarists don't get this worked up over their thousand dollar guitars, but explain reality to a KVRian with his hundred dollar plugin and ya better watch out!

The great irony is I'm not even a Sylenth1 evangelist, in fact I'm considering selling it off for Omnisphere. I thought I would just casually explain why I bought Sylenth1 over Hive, and I checked to verify that this thread wasn't in the U-he forum before I did that, but then, I forgot: KVR at large is the U-he forum

BTW, v3 is out now, not sure about instant license delivery or not, but the fact that Sylenth1 was a bit of a PITA to get up and running for a long while there rather contradicts the "muh cracks" argument, mes freres.

[Urs]

BTW, v3 is out now

Nope, still public beta, pretty much exactly since a year

[whyterabbyt]

Someone in this thread is pretty full of themselves...

is it you, again?

[fluffy_little_something]

Someone in this thread is pretty full of themselves...

Please explain?

Well, since of all the posters in this thread it is you that replied, you seem to know exactly what I mean

Yes, I know who you mean. You always do.

But no, I don't know what you mean.

Well, your whole paternalist way, offering "help'" to LD. I mean, who do you think you are? He doesn't need and want your "help", obviously. Nor will he care whether Sylenth1 cracks hurt your sales or not.

And some pages ago you wrote that Hive's gui is great. You know what they say about Eigenlob, don't you?

[Kumi_27]

He doesn't need and want your "help", obviously. Nor will he care whether Sylenth1 cracks hurt your sales or not.

And You know this for sure, because... ? Man, speak for Yourself, will You?

[aumordia]

BTW, v3 is out now

Nope, still public beta, pretty much exactly since a year

You can download it and run it, but it's not "out" because it's technically a beta? That's pretty pharisaical.

Anyway, in light of this thread's trajectory, I find this old post from Ruben at LD to be doubly

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 9#p6069479

Lennard (yes...Lennard) didn't even hear of Hive until the past few weeks. I can assure you he has respect for Urs, but he's in no way the great inspirer for Lennard to start programming again.

EDIT: Correction, turns out it's not even a beta, they just haven't updated their website

[fluffy_little_something]

He doesn't need and want your "help", obviously. Nor will he care whether Sylenth1 cracks hurt your sales or not.

And You know this for sure, because... ? Man, speak for Yourself, will You?

Urs himself said it:
"That's why I offer help with copy protection to other developers for free, it's in my own interest if their stuff isn't cracked. But even though it was suggested to Lennar several times in forums, no-one has ever contacted us yet. I hope they do the right thing and invest into a good protection."