Pulsar 900 Series

[wagtunes]

It´s clearly stated that it is circuit modelled...just read
I also don´t think it´s for everyone. It just fits my flavor like i find ACE the best U-he synth from all now.

It's not for everyone? Come on It has nothing special to begin with. Is a synth like dozens of others, as I said. You like the sound of it? Fine. Be my guest. But if you are talking about game changers, please come up with something really revolutionary, not another "me too" subtractive synth.

Well, I had to check this out for myself with all this back and forth.

Personally, I like the filters. But the sound in general didn't blow me away. I mean it's decent, and if a VST version came out I'd probably get it, but there's nothing here that's making me go "OMG, I have to run out now and buy and iPad."

[fmr]

And to come back again to P900 it is my current favorite synth and i think it´s worth the asked price

IF and when it has a Windows version and emancipate itself from Apple

[Cinebient]

And to come back again to P900 it is my current favorite synth and i think it´s worth the asked price

IF and when it has a Windows version and emancipate itself from Apple

People still use windows?......
O.k. just joking.
I like you guys here....never boring.
Don't take life to serious!

[pdxindy]

Again that iOS is a toy is nonsense (at least for me).

How many studios are doing their recording in iOS? How many movies are being scored on iOS? Etc.

Calling iOS a toy is not a disparaging comment. Toys are lots of fun. Why argue something when you know it is not a professional platform.

[Cinebient]

Again that iOS is a toy is nonsense (at least for me).

How many studios are doing their recording in iOS? How many movies are being scored on iOS? Etc.

Calling iOS a toy is not a disparaging comment. Toys are lots of fun. Why argue something when you know it is not a professional platform.

Funny. A lot pro using iPads too. I don't mean as workstation for a movie score but as sound modul, midi device etc. to combine that in a workflow.
But i also heard enough iOS only tracks which sound as good as some of the curious pro stuff made with desktops.
It's not the tool, it's the creator
You might talk about commercial work which is not always pro and vice versa.
Moog, AudioDamage, Fabfilter, Korg (which seems to be more interested in iOS indeed) are all there on iOS and i would call them pro maybe.
However, hard to stop that disscusion.
Let's say we all have different opinions but like to create sound and music. It's all fine.

[wagtunes]

I agree. it's not the platform. It's the talent of the person using it.

[pdxindy]

Of course... it runs in iOS so, it HAS TO SOUND a million times better. They sell it for ten bucks and don't dare to enter in the highly competitive VST market, because they are kind souls, but at the same time fear piracy.

Funny enough, the best they came up in VST is a monosynth (but at least they just as € 35).

And what has that to do with the sound quality. A free synth can sound better than an expensive one. IPads are faster than the average notebook.
Moog still is iOS only too in software but of course they don´t know what they do
Think whatever you want and i respect if you say you don´t like the sound but saying it can´t be good because it´s cheap and running on a mobile OS is dumb.
Dagger indeed is my favorite Monosynth

Moog Model 15 is iOS cause they do not have to compete with the big boys by staying there. iOS is low hanging fruit.

[pdxindy]

And what has that to do with the sound quality. A free synth can sound better than an expensive one. IPads are faster than the average notebook.

Theoretically... but the best synths are commercial ones, not free ones.

My iPad Pro is far less machine than my desktop. I have the best one you can buy and it still only has 3GB Ram and piss-poor connectivity.

You just want iOS to replace the desktop so you see the whole thing with colored glasses. That is why you have repeatedly touted iOS synths as better than VST's. It's just not true.

[Cinebient]

And what has that to do with the sound quality. A free synth can sound better than an expensive one. IPads are faster than the average notebook.

Theoretically... but the best synths are commercial ones, not free ones.

My iPad Pro is far less machine than my desktop. I have the best one you can buy and it still only has 3GB Ram and piss-poor connectivity.

You just want iOS to replace the desktop so you see the whole thing with colored glasses. That is why you have repeatedly touted iOS synths as better than VST's. It's just not true.

It has 4GB RAM. IOS devices don't need that much because they desktop OS comes with a lot bloat and unoptimized software
I just wish desktop developers would put more energy in the GUI part. F.e. i wanted to buy Numerology but the GUI....nah´never could pay that much money for such a GUI.
Here i really say that iOS is far far better. But P900 and a few others like U-he done that right.
Also where did i say that iOS synths are better?
I just like Zeeon more than some of my plug-ins.
So it's a better value in this case.
Maybe people in iOS forums are more friendly and open because they save money

[lnikj]

I like my toys It is not an either/or but an 'and'.

IOS has some fascinating sound generators that have no replacement on the desktop e.g Igor Vasliliev's trio of Fieldscaper, Soundscaper and Synthscaper, or Borderlands; some really good synths such as Animoog, Model 15, Zeeon, Infinite and iVCS3; and some desktop equivalents that just work much better on IOS, such as Korg's long neglected desktop synths, and Amazing Noises'/Apesoft's catalogue which works better on IOS than in max4live.

It also has no end of innovative control surfaces and interesting midi devices and generators, which work well with other IOS devices but equally well controlling or feeding desktop apps.

But some basic things are lacking, for example great delays and reverbs. Effects, generally, are pretty disappointing, and I don't really know why. This will probably change in time.

Routing, far better than it was now with AUM and Audiobus 3, is still challenging.

I tend to use my IOS 'toys' as single apps, and process their output, either live (over Studiomux) or recorded, on my Mac.

It is undoubtedly now possible to be a professional musician on IOS only, but most would still think it better to make use of the strengths of both environments I guess. I am not a professional musician, just a hobbyist and dabbler.

I wouldn't want to go IOS only because my current favourite dabblings are with the new breed of software modulars, and I love my delays and reverbs, max4live devices and Unfiltered Audio plugins, but at the end of the day, when the other half is watching some crap on the telly, I love to sit on the sofa with my iPad on my knee.

[pdxindy]

I like my toys It is not an either/or but an 'and'.

My comment was in response to Cinebient saying things like iOS is the future and will replace those old VST dinosaurs. It is nowhere near that.

I like my toys too...

I have a quality point and shoot camera and have sold photos shot on it but it is not a pro camera and cannot come close to the range of photography I can do with my 'real' cameras.

I have a number of iOS synths, but I may never use them for anything substantive. It is enough easier to just use my regular mac that connecting the iPad Pro just seems not worth it. I have so many tools on the Mac that I never need another. Also, I rather dislike the touchscreen interface for using virtual controls. It is too clumsy. It is really annoying moving a control to a certain value and how often it then shifts a bit as I lift my finger.

As a control surface, I would much rather have real knobs and sliders.

Anyway, we have wandered far afield from Pulsar 900 which is not even iOS!

[lnikj]

I like my toys It is not an either/or but an 'and'.

My comment was in response to Cinebient saying things like iOS is the future and will replace those old VST dinosaurs. It is nowhere near that.

I like my toys too...

I have a quality point and shoot camera and have sold photos shot on it but it is not a pro camera and cannot come close to the range of photography I can do with my 'real' cameras.

I have a number of iOS synths, but I may never use them for anything substantive. It is enough easier to just use my regular mac that connecting the iPad Pro just seems not worth it. I have so many tools on the Mac that I never need another. Also, I rather dislike the touchscreen interface for using virtual controls. It is too clumsy. It is really annoying moving a control to a certain value and how often it then shifts a bit as I lift my finger.

As a control surface, I would much rather have real knobs and sliders.

Anyway, we have wandered far afield from Pulsar 900 which is not even iOS!

With that metal interface it could be ported though

I’d prioritize that over a windoze port

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[fmr]

Only reason that P900 interested me (cleverly staying on topic) is that it a jump in quality compared to Arturia's Moog Modular, because of that pesky mumbo jumbo marketing hype. Actually, I've no idea how they programmed it to sound so good, it just does.

So, you did some real tests to reach that conclusion? Did you record the original, the Modular V and P900 and finally reached the conclusion that P900 is closer? Or you just dreamed about the sound?

Until I see those recordings done properly, I refrain myself to comment statements like this. I am not saying that P900 doesn't sound good (I didn't even touch the thing, and I won't until it clearly comes out of the Apple umbrella, so I am judging from the published sound examples). I am saying that "circuit modeling" is no magic wand that makes things suddenly sound good (actually, many old analogs sounded really bad in the first place). In the end it's just math and programming. The end result is what matters to me, not the path followed to reach it.

And, no, I don't think that many of the "circuit modeled" synths out there sound THAT better - but they certainly demand a lot more CPU. And even when they do (and much more when they don't) what we get in the the end sometimes doesn't really justify the expense.

I give you the Roland emulations, for example. They sound really good, but do you really want a monosynth that takes 60% of your CPU? Or a polyphonic synth that kills your CPU when running in full 8 voices? I am calling these because they are among the best emulations I heard so far. Yet the Arturia and TAL counterparts stand well against them for the most part without killing the CPU (and I am saying this COMPARED to the originals Jupiter-8 and Juno-60).