Syntronik [update March 2018: New T-03 Bonus Content & 4-for-1 bass synth promo] available

[JJ_Jettflow]

So why would I or anyone else think that the A6 would have all the functions?

I don't think anyone did; at least, not entirely. Maybe the marketing is not totally at fault for that confusion, because we should all be well-versed in this bullshit by now (this is not an criticism levelled at just ikm, either).

However, that still doesn't excuse the untruth in the marketing.

The confusion and misconception of this product is mostly self-inflicted. If instead of filling the thread with 32 pages of nothing, it could have been filled with relevant questions thar Peter could have answered and then those answers could have been delved into further with follow up questions.

We agree that it's mostly self-inflicted, but that still leaves my point about bullshit marketing.

As to your other point: You know what they say about ifs and ands

And you know what they say about buying goods; let the buyer beware...it should actually be let the buyer be aware.

What part of the marketing is bull?

[wagtunes]

To be fair, all marketing is a little bull. I had a long post that timed out so I'll keep this short.

You don't get a flock of girls around you on the beech just because you're drinking a diet Pepsi.

My marketing degree was not for nothing.

[JJ_Jettflow]

You don't get a flock of girls around you on the beach just because you're drinking a diet Pepsi.

And you don't get an authentic recreation of the A6 with 2/3 of the controllers missing either.


Honestly we don't what kind of sounds Syntronik will make because it isn't even out on the market yet.

[wagtunes]

You don't get a flock of girls around you on the beach just because you're drinking a diet Pepsi.

And you don't get an authentic recreation of the A6 with 2/3 of the controllers missing either.


Honestly we don't what kind of sounds Syntronik will make because it isn't even out on the market yet.

Point is, a company will always try to paint their product in the brightest light possible.

There's one recent beer commercial that I really love because it actually tries to move away from the hype. I don't remember the beer but at the end of the commercial, and I'm paraphrasing here, it says...

"We don't expect to be the beer you drink the most. We just want it to be the beer you like the most when you drink it."

The whole commercial was so down to earth and so un marketing like. I don't even drink beer and I was impressed by it.

I think we need more of that kind of stuff.

But unfortunately, that kind of stuff doesn't sell.

[Dewdman42]

I also think the sound quality appears to be very good, presuming all the sound in those videos came from syntronik and not from the original synths being described. At the moment that is not certain to me.

Since peter has said that each instrument had the subset of osc samples embedded somehow I can only assume that these different guis are not all exactly the same in function they must use the GUI controls in some way to choose which two osc samples to use, which could be a different process for each instrument, thus requiring a different GUI, not just for cosmetics. Just guessing out loud.

I think at this point we just need to wait and see. I still think there may be more flexibility then had been suggested by the "this is a romper" crowd, but it will definitely not be as flexible as the originals or even close to authentic emulations of the synths in terms of functionality, but may have VERY authentic sound so long as you aren't needing a sound that can only be constructed with some of the original synth programming features, but even some of that will be represented by the "vast" sample collection supposedly, it's still not clear how deep that will be but we shall see. The videos are not very clear. If you want it cheap then buy it on a hunch, otherwise wait and see and pay higher price.

[ghettosynth]

Since peter has said that each instrument had the subset of osc samples embedded somehow I can only assume that these different guis are not all exactly the same in function they must use the GUI controls in some way to choose which two osc samples to use, which could be a different process for each instrument, thus requiring a different GUI, not just for cosmetics. Just guessing out loud.

LOL!

Just a couple more "samples', and you will be there, in the "zone", for sure!

[Gamma-UT]

Since peter has said that each instrument had the subset of osc samples embedded somehow I can only assume that these different guis are not all exactly the same in function they must use the GUI controls in some way to choose which two osc samples to use, which could be a different process for each instrument, thus requiring a different GUI, not just for cosmetics. Just guessing out loud.

If you look at this from the perspective of the way Sampletank seems to be designed, it may be easier to see what will happen with Syntronik. Sampletank has very rudimentary sample-mapping features available from the front panel. For example, if you import your own multisamples, you have to have them ready to go in a folder, fully trimmed and loop points set within the files. Once the instrument is in you can't even change its category within the database (or if there is a way of doing it, I haven't found it).

From the user's perspective, the samples are more or less locked to a given preset. You can't dive in later and change the source samples for a preset, you have to call up a new preset. Looking at Syntronik, I'd be surprised if they've extended this in any way.

What this means for Syntronik, I imagine, is that each multisample is associated with a synth category that calls up the respective wallpaper and controls for that synth. You edit that, and don't change the wallpaper. Want a split or layer, then you call up another preset (probably into what is effectively an ST3 Multi) and that, no doubt, selects whatever wallpaper is associated with the preset. The changes you make within a layer will be limited to filter type plus the standard ST3 LFO, filter controls. As the controls are common to all Syntronik instruments, there is no real need to change the wallpaper and it's probably not available as an option.

[DarkStar]

[Disclaimer: this could be nonsense ]

This is how I read it:
-- take 38 legendary vintage synths,
-- create over 2,000 sounds (patches) from them (let's say 50 per synth),
-- build those 2,000 sounds into 2,000 Syntronik patches [#],
-- MusicRadar suggests that these are over 70,000 samples,
-- add a common set of controls (Osc Tune, Filter Type, Amp and Filter envelope etc),
-- load 4 patches at once, for sound layering, keyboard zones etc,
-- and sprinkle with a choice of 38 effects.

[#] I do hope that the 2,000 patches (equivalent to 'instruments' in ST3?) are truly distinct, not the same synth patch with variations of FX chains.

So the patches are semi-baked - their sound can be changed only using the GUI controls. Osc samples etc cannot be freely chosen; it depends on which patches of each synth were sampled.

Mind you, a set of 2,000 patches for just under €100 is quite a bargain, especially for anyone starting out. I did see on Sound on Sound that the post-release prices will be double the pre-order ones. And that the 17 instruments will also be available separately for $/€49.99 each upon release.

[ This goes along with Gamma-UT's thoughts, above. ]

[ghettosynth]

And that the 17 instruments will also be available separately for $/€49.99 each upon release

THAT explains the 17 GUIs.

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

Perhaps for the first time in my roughly eight years at IK, I'll embrace the side conversation about marketing

Marketing is covered in this KVR interview of IK's CEO: https://www.kvraudio.com/interviews/doi ... iori-29971

I also found the "taking a beating on the forums" and "why we're here" parts (and the mention of me and my old hazmat suit avatar) interesting when it was published, of course.

[quantum7]

I told everybody so, multiple times. I've stated exactly what Syntronik is and exactly who it is for. At least I won't bore people by quoting one of said posts explaining both of those things again. At least not on this page.

Hi Peter, I'm tempted by the intro price of Syntronik, but without getting to demo it first, makes it a risky purchase for me, as I didn't like SampleTank 3...although I do like many of your other products though. Is there any way that we will be able to demo it first while the intro price is still available?

Thanks!

[wagtunes]

I told everybody so, multiple times. I've stated exactly what Syntronik is and exactly who it is for. At least I won't bore people by quoting one of said posts explaining both of those things again. At least not on this page.

Hi Peter, I'm tempted by the intro price of Syntronik, but without getting to demo it first, makes it a risky purchase for me, as I didn't like SampleTank 3...although I do like many of your other products though. Is there any way that we will be able to demo it first while the intro price is still available?

Thanks!

This has already been answered. No.

[Teksonik]

You don't get a flock of girls around you on the beech just because you're drinking a diet Pepsi.

My marketing degree was not for nothing.

Apparently you did not minor in English..........

[wagtunes]

You don't get a flock of girls around you on the beech just because you're drinking a diet Pepsi.

My marketing degree was not for nothing.

Apparently you did not minor in English..........

I hated Inglish. Without a spell chek I'm totally wurthless.

[Teksonik]

I also found the "taking a beating on the forums" and "why we're here" parts (and the mention of me and my old hazmat suit avatar) interesting when it was published, of course.

"Even if it's not evident, the fact that we have senior IK employees like Peter Toriello on KVR, who really cares about the people there, and tries to get feedback from the users. He is an open connection. So whatever comment is made, escalates, both good and bad. Listening to and learning from your customers is a big part of marketing, and we are there to get feedback and translate these requests into product features. Sometimes it's easier and faster, and sometimes it takes a lot of time, but that's why we stay there. So we have a presence to engage directly with users".

Ahhh if it were but true...........