KVR Audio

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sat Aug 19, 2023 9:27 pm

WatchTheGuitar wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 8:29 pm I think the last entry was written in cuneiform

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:57 am

Personally I went from Spark to XO to Atlas to the MPC Live II. I still use XO as a sample browser, but that will probably stop soon as I purchase Sononym and start using that for all audio file searches.

XO just feels incomplete, like an almost ran. The cloud based searching is great though.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:16 am

machinesworking wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:57 amXO just feels incomplete, like an almost ran. The cloud based searching is great though.

It’s quite inexplicable, isn’t it? They’ve done all the hard stuff, wowed everyone, and then failed to do any fairly bog-standard consolidation. That’s over a few years now, and they are watching their user base drift away because of it. I’m still there, but always on the lookout for something clearly and demonstrably better, sorta waiting for the titan that doesn’t really exist yet.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:14 pm

noiseboyuk wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:16 am
machinesworking wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:57 amXO just feels incomplete, like an almost ran. The cloud based searching is great though.
It’s quite inexplicable, isn’t it? They’ve done all the hard stuff, wowed everyone, and then failed to do any fairly bog-standard consolidation. That’s over a few years now, and they are watching their user base drift away because of it. I’m still there, but always on the lookout for something clearly and demonstrably better, sorta waiting for the titan that doesn’t really exist yet.

Probably the same problem we face all the time with plugins, the developer that worked on XO is gone on to greener pastures. So XLN don't want to spend the time to reverse engineer it and improve it.

mabian · Post by **mabian** » Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:31 pm

machinesworking wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 3:14 pm
noiseboyuk wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:16 am
machinesworking wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:57 amXO just feels incomplete, like an almost ran. The cloud based searching is great though.
It’s quite inexplicable, isn’t it? They’ve done all the hard stuff, wowed everyone, and then failed to do any fairly bog-standard consolidation. That’s over a few years now, and they are watching their user base drift away because of it. I’m still there, but always on the lookout for something clearly and demonstrably better, sorta waiting for the titan that doesn’t really exist yet.
Probably the same problem we face all the time with plugins, the developer that worked on XO is gone on to greener pastures. So XLN don't want to spend the time to reverse engineer it and improve it.

Well, then xln has no more developers it seems because they haven't been releasing new stuff for quite a while now... However they often update their plugins, at least somebody is able to work on them (I understand maintaining is different than evolving...)

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:20 pm

mabian wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:31 pm Well, then xln has no more developers it seems because they haven't been releasing new stuff for quite a while now... However they often update their plugins, at least somebody is able to work on them (I understand maintaining is different than evolving...)

Yeah, it's how it is when we have no real answers though, XLN isn't saying what happened to XO but we can surmise that the company doesn't see it as worth investing in.

Hewitt Huntwork · Post by **Hewitt Huntwork** » Sun Aug 20, 2023 5:51 pm

When EZD2 was announced (like ten years ago!), XLN was right on their tail with AD2. This time? Crickets.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:08 pm

They did quietly update everything to vst3 last year though. Some companies make a big deal of that and work it into major updates. Did they do m1 updates too? I'm not on Mac so not sure.

If I recall correctly they didn't really add features to AD1, just maintained. And then did a big feature update for v2. Maybe it will be the same for XO.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:13 pm

They updated XO for M1, just no new features for years now.

Gribs · Post by **Gribs** » Sun Aug 20, 2023 6:15 pm

I have both XO and Atlas now and am still learning. I bought each on sale; Atlas most recently just a few days ago. The sequencer for Atlas seems more fully-featured but neither of the plugins have layering/mixing/velocity switching of samples per pad on a kit.

Atlas gave me what I think is a better classification of samples with more separation of melodics than XO did. Both programs spent a bit of time chewing on my sample library folder.

jaydog4 · Post by **jaydog4** » Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:21 am

https://algonaut.audio/

this is waaaay better

kraster · Post by **kraster** » Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:20 am

jaydog4 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:21 am https://algonaut.audio/

this is waaaay better

In some respects Atlas is better in other respects XO is better.

I find XO is better at sorting samples and has more refined searching.

In most other respects Atlas is better but the searching and sorting is kind of a big deal.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Mon Aug 21, 2023 4:50 am

kraster wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 3:20 am
jaydog4 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 1:21 am https://algonaut.audio/

this is waaaay better
In some respects Atlas is better in other respects XO is better.

I find XO is better at sorting samples and has more refined searching.

In most other respects Atlas is better but the searching and sorting is kind of a big deal.

Atlas has a better sequencer, XO has a better AI cloud.

jaydog4 · Post by **jaydog4** » Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:52 pm

whats the ai cloud?

kraster · Post by **kraster** » Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:55 pm

jaydog4 wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:52 pm whats the ai cloud?

It basically scans through the sample folders you add and sorts them all out for you based on various characteristic like tonal character, pitch, noisiness, length, name, type etc.

Both Atlas and XO have a "cloud" made up of coloured dots.

Each dot represents a sample and the neighbouring samples tend to be similar. Different colours represent different drum types.

On XO if you select one of the dots it further refines searches by presenting a selection of alternatives that are very close to your selected sample.

You can also use a "smart" search to narrow down the selection in the cloud.

Very quick and intuitive and beats slogging through folders of samples.

XLN Audio - XO - Improvement, Pros, Cons