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C+C+ · Post by **C+C+** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 3:37 pm

AUTO SOLVED !

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 4:18 pm

TheoM wrote:Well they deserve to be amongst the most expensive cause all of their products KA!!! imo

You'll get no arguement from me - top quality stuff there!

stroker_ace · Post by **stroker_ace** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:11 pm

EnochLight wrote:Yeah, the "BD" stands for bass drum. It's fantastic that Rob Papen are continuing to develop RE's. Their flagship RE are some of the most expensive in the shop (Predator RE) but sales must be strong enough to compel them to keep going.

Yes, it's very good news that Rob Papen is still supporting the rack extension format, given that so many other developers seem to have stopped.

I wish sales of the Sonic Charge rack extensions were stronger. I'd love to see a Synplant and a Permut8 rack extension.

EnochLight wrote:The whole conspiracy theory that Softube is "in bed" with Props is hogwash, me thinks.

Is it really a "whole conspiracy theory", or is it just a nutty idea one guy threw out there?

I think it comes down to whether a company has a person on staff who can handle the GUI, or they've got to outsource it.

Softube does, so they're still in.

U-he doesn't, so they're more than likely getting out.

I'd love to know what happened with Sonic Charge, though. Magnus was as "in bed" with Propellerheads as one could be, and he's not developing any more rack extensions as far as I know.

Not a good sign, imo.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:07 pm

stroker_ace wrote:
EnochLight wrote:Yeah, the "BD" stands for bass drum. It's fantastic that Rob Papen are continuing to develop RE's. Their flagship RE are some of the most expensive in the shop (Predator RE) but sales must be strong enough to compel them to keep going.
Yes, it's very good news that Rob Papen is still supporting the rack extension format, given that so many other developers seem to have stopped.

I wish sales of the Sonic Charge rack extensions were stronger. I'd love to see a Synplant and a Permut8 rack extension.

EnochLight wrote:The whole conspiracy theory that Softube is "in bed" with Props is hogwash, me thinks.

Is it really a "whole conspiracy theory", or is it just a nutty idea one guy threw out there?

I think it comes down to whether a company has a person on staff who can handle the GUI, or they've got to outsource it.

Softube does, so they're still in.

U-he doesn't, so they're more than likely getting out.

I'd love to know what happened with Sonic Charge, though. Magnus was as "in bed" with Propellerheads as one could be, and he's not developing any more rack extensions as far as I know.

Not a good sign, imo.

Nothing is wrong with Sonic Charge nor Magnus as far as RE's are concerned; they're still on board. They're just working on their core VST products right now (Synplant at the moment, according to their public forum).

Conspiracy theory was perhaps a little grandiose a phrase to use, sure - but it seemed appropriate since I've seen that thrown out on more than one occasion. Also - don't count U-He out just yet.

krucial · Post by **krucial** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:28 pm

EnochLight wrote:
Nothing is wrong with Sonic Charge nor Magnus as far as RE's are concerned; they're still on board. They're just working on their core VST products right now (Synplant at the moment, according to their public forum

I think a lot of these haters sit at home twiddling their thumbs praying for the day "major" devs stop making REs. Its quite funny some of the speculations. I mean Sonic Charge should be putting out an RE every month becuase its profitable. They should stop supporting their VSTs and just put out REs, I mean their coustomers dont need the VSTs updated etc. Alot of what they want do to is not possible with the current SDK but put out half ass REs anyway.

maschinelf · Post by **maschinelf** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:31 pm

I think RE sales would be a lot higher if they had found a way to implement cross grade discounts. There was some mention of this when they first announced 6.5, but it never happened. Particularly in the case of RE's that have almost identical vst/au counterparts, I think this would negatively affect sales.

There's other things too, like RE's not being transferable. Also, since Props hyped it so much back when they announced 6.5 that RE's were easier to program, and would save the devs headachea in coding cross platform versions etc, it seemed initially that RE's were going to be cheaper than they are, or at least I expected this. Obviously the reality was very different, so maybe they shot themselves in the foot with too aggressive marketing.

Still, I think it's early days, and I hope to see it become more interesting soon.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:32 pm

krucial wrote:
EnochLight wrote:
Nothing is wrong with Sonic Charge nor Magnus as far as RE's are concerned; they're still on board. They're just working on their core VST products right now (Synplant at the moment, according to their public forum
I think a lot of these haters sit at home twiddling their thumbs praying for the day "major" devs stop making REs. Its quite funny some of the speculations. I mean Sonic Charge should be putting out an RE every month becuase its profitable. They should stop supporting their VSTs and just put out REs, I mean their coustomers dont need the VSTs updated etc. Alot of what they want do to is not possible with the current SDK but put out half ass REs anyway.

Do you feel Sonic Charge's Bitspeek RE or Echbode are half-assed RE's?

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:39 pm

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krucial · Post by **krucial** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:39 pm

EnochLight wrote:
krucial wrote:
EnochLight wrote:
Nothing is wrong with Sonic Charge nor Magnus as far as RE's are concerned; they're still on board. They're just working on their core VST products right now (Synplant at the moment, according to their public forum
I think a lot of these haters sit at home twiddling their thumbs praying for the day "major" devs stop making REs. Its quite funny some of the speculations. I mean Sonic Charge should be putting out an RE every month becuase its profitable. They should stop supporting their VSTs and just put out REs, I mean their coustomers dont need the VSTs updated etc. Alot of what they want do to is not possible with the current SDK but put out half ass REs anyway.
Do you feel Sonic Charge's Bitspeek RE or Echbode are half-assed RE's?

No not all I own EchoBode its a permanent piece in my Rack. What I am getting at is its stated that some REs cant be ported yet because of SDK limitations. Permut8 for example. But here you have these folks still talking all kinds crap about sales are bad so devs have stop all together. Lets not forget that these devs have vsts to support. What should they do port half ass stuff or wait for the SDK to improve to realize their vision?

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:41 pm

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ezelkow1 · Post by **ezelkow1** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:49 pm

TheoM wrote:The sales will improve dramatically if Propellereheads allow REsale, PDC, better CPU usage, and a more flexible SDK.

I think just the REsale one alone would get much bigger sales, as people just want the feeling that they are not stuck with it if their mind changes a year down the track (for example).

+1

As I mentioned earlier I wish there was a way to sort the store by price, and this is exactly why I only look at the cheap stuff out of RE's. If I have no way to resell them, then (personally) Im only willing to pay a small price for a RE because it really doesnt become an investment anymore. However if the sdk was improved, allowing much more interesting RE's then I might reconsider what is my current price limit for a RE, even then that would be real iffy with no resale

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:57 pm

While I'll agree there's always room to improve sales by all of the suggestions mentioned, who's to say that currently sales of RE's aren't doing just smashing right now? Suggesting sales are poor is pure conjecture (about as much conjecture as suggesting they're great)..

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:24 pm

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KarmaShaman · Post by **KarmaShaman** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:31 pm

kae wrote: You have to route the audio using the modulation matrix.
For instance:
Source: Audio in 1 Amount: 100% Dest: Filter 3 Left in
Source: Audio in 2 Amount: 100% Dest: Filter 3 Right in.

Thanks! I'm not familiar with that section of Thor, but your explanation is straightforward and I hooked it up immediately. ALong with the previous tip on using the Malstrom, I'll have a lot of weird audio processing to keep me occupied for a while.

Does anyone have some other tips on what I can do to Reason 7 to create some 'unnatural' guitar sounds? Specifically looking for in-house solutions, not after-market Rack Extensions (although the dual pitch shifter is on my wish list, it won't be for a few months until I buy it)

C+C+ · Post by **C+C+** » Sun Dec 08, 2013 7:51 pm

KarmaShaman wrote:
kae wrote: You have to route the audio using the modulation matrix.
For instance:
Source: Audio in 1 Amount: 100% Dest: Filter 3 Left in
Source: Audio in 2 Amount: 100% Dest: Filter 3 Right in.
Thanks! I'm not familiar with that section of Thor, but your explanation is straightforward and I hooked it up immediately. ALong with the previous tip on using the Malstrom, I'll have a lot of weird audio processing to keep me occupied for a while.

Does anyone have some other tips on what I can do to Reason 7 to create some 'unnatural' guitar sounds? Specifically looking for in-house solutions, not after-market Rack Extensions (although the dual pitch shifter is on my wish list, it won't be for a few months until I buy it)

you can create a sequenced synth lead and add a line-6 on it that is in the studio fx section in reason or the same with a RE that does this type of things .

it does good results with adding a whawha fx on top of that !

So the Propellerhead's forum is down. Post in here if you normally post there.