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musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:12 pm

sj1 wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:41 pm Testing out the new Dorian Scale Rules here. (I'm loving the idea of more rules to work with!)

I do not see how it is possible for these Rules to generate (via the Dice) a Ddim chord (ii dim), and yet they have. (IOW, I don't see ii dim anywhere in the Rules.)

No, I don't think a Ddim could appear for C Dorian. I don't know how that could happen. Please let me know if you see it again.

crossovercable · Post by **crossovercable** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:13 pm

I still had the beta 3 page opening in my browser that seemed dead for a long time until I just got a post to say it's here now and the beta 3 is now locked. So this is beta here ? as it don't have it in the title.

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:22 pm

No, I meant the note transposition in the note inspector:

sj1 wrote: Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:45 pm Hi,

If this is what you mean by transposition, then there is none applied:

RC - Zero Transposition.jpg

sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:27 pm

musicdevelopments wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:12 pm No, I don't think a Ddim could appear for C Dorian. I don't know how that could happen. Please let me know if you see it again.

Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

I've attached a file. You'll see Ddim in m19.

If you select m17 - m20 and keep rolling the dice it will happen again for you (at least it does for me, Windows SA version).

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:30 pm

In theory the phrase editor displays all notes. It looks for the lowest and highest note, and adjusts the vertical scale so that all notes fit. Do you mean this does not always work for you?
It would be good to do the same (auto zoom) horizontally...

sj1 wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 9:09 pm Hi,

Is it possible to have the Phrase Editor open so that at least some (ideally all) of any existing notes are visible?

I'm noticing instances of the PE opening to a large blank area and then I have to hunt either up or down to find the notes.

sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:42 pm

FWIW, on the subject of Chord Rules, for the long run -

The current paradigm of chord rules I'll call "next chord forward". Given a current chord, the Chord Rules define possibilities and probabilities for the "next" chord, one next chord at a time, iterating over the target range to instantiate.

To be sure, this works. RC is auto-magical in a sense and excellent results are easy to achieve.

However, if I may so say, the current scheme seems opposite from music theory as I've learned it, which (as I interpret it) seems to operate much more in a "prior chords backwards" way based on a target or destination chord (e.g. the I or i of the key) being the "anchor" and the rules being all about what is valid/good/standard to come before the anchor and lead up to or resolve to it. I'm talking about the concepts of cadence, dominants, secondary dominants, etc..

So, I can imagine that perhaps the RC of the future might take the entire current Chord Rules paradigm and call it 'Chord Rules Algo #1' and then provide 'Chord Rules Algo #2' thru N each of which would operate completely differently, and at least one of which which would be based on "prior chords backwards". Other possibilities might be e.g. Classical Practice, Romantic Practice, Jazz Practice, Pop Practice etc.

sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:50 pm

musicdevelopments wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:30 pm In theory the phrase editor displays all notes. It looks for the lowest and highest note, and adjusts the vertical scale so that all notes fit. Do you mean this does not always work for you?

Yes, that's seemingly the experience that prompted me to write.

However, I'm typically mousing around, changing zoom level, etc. so since this is already supposed to be taken care of, and since most casual opening of the PE does seem to display all the notes (vertically), please let me observe more closely and report back with a scenario (if found) before you take up any action here.

Thanks!

sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:21 pm

Watching BluGene's Chord Rules video I notice that the left/right arrow chord navigation with an open choice dialog as described around 7:50 no longer takes place in RC (v4.1b7). I'm guessing that this conflicted with something else and was changed.

The left/right arrow navigation w/o an open choice dialog does work, but you have to then reopen the choice dialog with the mouse. Doing that reopen with a keystroke (e.g. Enter, Return, or down arrow) would be nice.

Actually, the exact capability as shown in the video looks pretty nice. Does anyone remember why that was changed?

sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:30 pm

Hi,

Here is another example of visual obscuration. In this case the chords Quick Suggestions dialog (window?) pops up in a way that covers the prior context (prior chords).

RC - Chords Obscured 01.jpg

FWIW, I'm always interested to know (be able to see) the prior context when making a new chord selection.

lovemusic15 · Post by **lovemusic15** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:56 pm

Just read your message iv found a solution no need for new algorithm rc has it already .

just emailed u back let me know what you think .

Thanks

lulukom · Post by **lulukom** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:23 pm

Well, yes, of course you are right. Only I've been looking for these algorithms for jazz for about 40 years now) Maybe someday?

So, I can imagine that perhaps the RC of the future might take the entire current Chord Rules paradigm and call it 'Chord Rules Algo #1' and then provide 'Chord Rules Algo #2' thru N each of which would operate completely differently, and at least one of which which would be based on "prior chords backwards". Other possibilities might be e.g. Classical Practice, Romantic Practice, Jazz Practice, Pop Practice etc

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sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:48 pm

musicdevelopments wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:09 pm In the structure inspector if you right-click on a part or line you can assign a chord rule to it, although it is used only if you manually generate a chord progression, so it does not affect the composition. Therefore I don't think displaying it on the master track would be a good idea.

Hi,

I'm sorry, I've tried right-clicking all over the structure inspector and I see no such. Perhaps I'm doing it wrong. Could I ask for extra explanation and/or a picture here?

Also, there seems to be so many ways to go at generating a chord progression on part or all of the Master Track that I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by saying "only if you manually generate a chord progression".

And finally, I don't track the meaning of "does not affect the composition" either. If you change a chord (even one, anywhere), you've changed the Composition! ??

sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:50 pm

Re: BluGene's Chord Rules video - am I correct that all the commentary there about needing to reload has by now been mooted?

I seem to be observing that I can create rule sets, add chords, etc. and it all happens right away.

sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:55 pm

I have a conceptual workflow question perhaps someone can give me some good advice on.

If I have a section of a Composition (some number of measures) where I love a result and want to save all of that section (only) as a unit (the tracks, the phrases, the progression, melodies, etc.) so I can "get it back" at some point in the future, what is the best (or a good) way to proceed.?

sj1 · Post by **sj1** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:10 pm

Hi,

If I've missed it, please advise, but if not, then I suggest adding a notepad capability to the program.

Ideally, any savable object would be able to save a note (text) along with itself. But if that is a judged a bit much ...

At least could we please be able to add our notes to a Composition (.rcCOMP file)?

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