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[munchkin]

I've just bought Tremor after testing the demo. I was disappointed to find that there aren't any more patterns in the full version. I know each pattern has variations but there aren't many patterns per genre e.g. 5 in "Club", 3 in "D&B" etc.

I like to adapt presets rather than start from scratch so I was hoping for a lot more patterns in the full version. I suppose we'll have to buy add-ons if we want more. Tremor has a great sound but as a pattern based drum synth it's fairly lacking in patterns. I thought a good variety of patterns would be the point of it in comparison to other pattern based drum machines. I'm a bit disappointed to be honest.

[softska]

I've just bought Tremor after testing the demo. I was disappointed to find that there aren't any more patterns in the full version. I know each pattern has variations but there aren't many patterns per genre e.g. 5 in "Club", 3 in "D&B" etc.

I like to adapt presets rather than start from scratch so I was hoping for a lot more patterns in the full version. I suppose we'll have to buy add-ons if we want more. Tremor has a great sound but as a pattern based drum synth it's fairly lacking in patterns. I thought a good variety of patterns would be the point of it in comparison to other pattern based drum machines. I'm a bit disappointed to be honest.

While agreed, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Partly it makes little sense when each engine can be any sound, partly base on their track record w Geist and its expansions.

[munchkin]

I've just bought Tremor after testing the demo. I was disappointed to find that there aren't any more patterns in the full version. I know each pattern has variations but there aren't many patterns per genre e.g. 5 in "Club", 3 in "D&B" etc.

I like to adapt presets rather than start from scratch so I was hoping for a lot more patterns in the full version. I suppose we'll have to buy add-ons if we want more. Tremor has a great sound but as a pattern based drum synth it's fairly lacking in patterns. I thought a good variety of patterns would be the point of it in comparison to other pattern based drum machines. I'm a bit disappointed to be honest.

While agreed, I wouldn't hold my breath.

Partly it makes little sense when each engine can be any sound, partly base on their track record w Geist and its expansions.

That's depressing news. Why make a pattern based drum synth and not feature lots of great patterns? There are loads of synths that make great drum sounds so the one thing that makes them stand out from the rest are the patterns. Modern synths come with more and more presets because musicians like to dial up a sound and then tweak it a bit rather than starting from scratch. The same applies to drum patterns. Developers get 3rd party help to create factory sound banks why not do the same with drum patterns?

[whyterabbyt]

There are loads of synths that make great drum sounds so the one thing that makes them stand out from the rest are the patterns. Modern synths come with more and more presets because musicians like to dial up a sound and then tweak it a bit rather than starting from scratch. The same applies to drum patterns. Developers get 3rd party help to create factory sound banks why not do the same with drum patterns?

I couldnt agree less.

You're arguing that the 'equivalence' in 'stand-out factor' between a drum synth and other synths is between patterns and sounds, not sounds and sounds. To assert that sounds dont make a drum synth stand out. Huh? Arse about tit or what. How many modern synths come with MIDI loops, that's what you actually should be treating as the equivalent of patterns.

[Sampleconstruct]

If one buys a drum thing for it's ready-made patterns why not buy audio loops instead...

[Peevy2000]

There are loads of synths that make great drum sounds so the one thing that makes them stand out from the rest are the patterns. Modern synths come with more and more presets because musicians like to dial up a sound and then tweak it a bit rather than starting from scratch. The same applies to drum patterns. Developers get 3rd party help to create factory sound banks why not do the same with drum patterns?

I couldnt agree less.

You're arguing that the 'equivalence' in 'stand-out factor' between a drum synth and other synths is between patterns and sounds, not sounds and sounds. To assert that sounds dont make a drum synth stand out. Huh? Arse about tit or what. How many modern synths come with MIDI loops, that's what you actually should be treating as the equivalent of patterns.

While It would be great if Tremor came with tonnes of patterns, I don't think that a pattern based Drum synth like Tremor must come with a load of patterns. Tremor's only out, given a bit of time it probably will have a lot of patterns. Isn't the whole point of using a pattern based drum synth, making & maybe sharing your own patterns.

[Peevy2000]

If one buys a drum thing for it's ready-made patterns why not buy audio loops instead...

I was just thinking that, if your into pattern so much there's loads of great synth drum loops at loopmasters or primeloops.

Geist is great for this, it doesn't come with a lot of patterns but its so easy to load a loop you like the pattern of (but maybe your not into the drum sounds) & replace the drum parts with your preferred drum hits.

[munchkin]

There are loads of synths that make great drum sounds so the one thing that makes them stand out from the rest are the patterns. Modern synths come with more and more presets because musicians like to dial up a sound and then tweak it a bit rather than starting from scratch. The same applies to drum patterns. Developers get 3rd party help to create factory sound banks why not do the same with drum patterns?

I couldnt agree less.

You're arguing that the 'equivalence' in 'stand-out factor' between a drum synth and other synths is between patterns and sounds, not sounds and sounds. To assert that sounds dont make a drum synth stand out. Huh? Arse about tit or what. How many modern synths come with MIDI loops, that's what you actually should be treating as the equivalent of patterns.

The pattern sequencer is one of the features that makes it stand out from the crowd. What's the point of including a pattern sequencer if there aren't many patterns? If the preset patterns aren't what makes this synth stand out then the same could be argued of the preset sounds because the presets are a combination of patterns and sounds. Both aspects of this synth are important and I want more of them.

[munchkin]

If one buys a drum thing for it's ready-made patterns why not buy audio loops instead...

I was just thinking that, if your into pattern so much there's loads of great synth drum loops at loopmasters or primeloops.

Geist is great for this, it doesn't come with a lot of patterns but its so easy to load a loop you like the pattern of (but maybe your not into the drum sounds) & replace the drum parts with your preferred drum hits.

I don't own Geist. Tremor is a pattern based drum machine. It isn't just a synth. I'd like more presets. If I wanted to use audio loops I would've bought them instead.

[whyterabbyt]

What's the point of including a pattern sequencer if there aren't many patterns?

Silly me. No-one can make their own patterns, right?

If the preset patterns aren't what makes this synth stand out then the same could be argued of the preset sounds because the presets are a combination of patterns and sounds.

Indeed it could. Personally I dont really see the value of gear as being what other people have already done with it, its what I can do with it.

[twisted-space]

What's the point of including a pattern sequencer if there aren't many patterns?

Surely, to allow the user to create their own patterns.





Beaten to it

[munchkin]

What's the point of including a pattern sequencer if there aren't many patterns?

Silly me. No-one can make their own patterns, right?

If the preset patterns aren't what makes this synth stand out then the same could be argued of the preset sounds because the presets are a combination of patterns and sounds.

Indeed it could. Personally I dont really see the value of gear as being what other people have already done with it, its what I can do with it.

Your tactic of attributing to people what they never argued is pretty daft. There's nothing to stop people creating patterns to their hearts content if more patterns were included. Just as a synth with 500 preset sounds doesn't prevent anyone from coming up with more sound banks. That is unless the Tremor preset police turn up every time someone creates their own preset. But I didn't see that mentioned on the website.

As for the value of creating your own sounds how will more presets prevent this? Why does DIVA come with a shed load of presets if the joy must be in creating our own? There's no virtue in creating everything from scratch. But if it rocks your boat what's stopping you?

[trimph1]

What's the point of including a pattern sequencer if there aren't many patterns?

Silly me. No-one can make their own patterns, right?

If the preset patterns aren't what makes this synth stand out then the same could be argued of the preset sounds because the presets are a combination of patterns and sounds.

Indeed it could. Personally I dont really see the value of gear as being what other people have already done with it, its what I can do with it.

OK...what happened to actually doing the thing yourself?

I like me drum machines that allow moi to actually build my OWN patterns. Not be stuffed with so many patterns pre-installed.

This is starting to sound like the RTR vs kit scenario over at some model railroading forums...

[Peevy2000]

What's the point of including a pattern sequencer if there aren't many patterns?

Surely, to allow the user to create their own patterns.





Beaten to it

+10000

Yes it would be a bonus if Tremor came with a shit load of patterns & as I said given time (Tremor being so new & all) I'm sure there'll be a lot more patterns coming. But I just don't get why someone would be so annoyed at a plugin like Tremor not having loads of patterns when the main reason for any pattern based drum synth is so that its convenient to make your own patterns.

I only referred to Geist....well maybe because I use it sooooooo much, so sorry about that one

[Nig]

Your tactic of attributing to people what they never argued is pretty daft. There's nothing to stop people creating patterns to their hearts content if more patterns were included. Just as a synth with 500 preset sounds doesn't prevent anyone from coming up with more sound banks. That is unless the Tremor preset police turn up every time someone creates their own preset. But I didn't see that mentioned on the website.

It's right there in the small print

On a serious note thought there is the ability to add a pattern for the selected engine. Above the sequencer you should see a drop down menu called 'Insert'. Click that and you'll see a lot of useful patterns to use. It's on page 59 of the manual, lots of other useful tips in there too that can be really time saving.