KVR Audio

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:09 pm

This could be the Viagra for Reason Users. They can endure with the same old wife...

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:10 pm

arp_laszlo wrote:@spaceman: don't forget about hair loss treatments!

@realisation:

No the hair loss treatments definitely work, i'm bald as a coot.

simesf · Post by **simesf** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:25 pm

musikmachine wrote:
arp_laszlo wrote:@spaceman: don't forget about hair loss treatments!

@realisation:
No the hair loss treatments definitely work, i'm bald as a coot.

Did using Reason before Reason Extensions make your hair fall out?

xh3rv · Post by **xh3rv** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:42 pm

I just want to challenge some of the perspectives in this thread. We'll see how things shape up when they shape up.

Does anyone honestly think any plug-in format gets everything right? Wouldn't diversity help that?

I don't think the drain on developers should be over-estimated. It depends on how well things are designed and implemented in the plug standards, but the once a developer has tools in place things can be pretty automatic.

Undo, crashing, etc - It'd be better if it was framed more proactively by saying Reason is a more integrated platform, which is perfectly fair to say. I'm guessing there will be some nice benefits of this that aren't perfectly apparent yet.

One thing I really feel pretty strongly about - if Reason RE a profitable, piracy-free platform it will benefit developers' customers beyond Reason users.

mellotronaut · Post by **mellotronaut** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:48 pm

Urs wrote:
mellotronaut wrote:i'm excited to have Uhbiks in Reason, but do i have to pay for them again ... and for Synplant and for Microtonic etc?
I seriously don't know yet. However...

... firstly we'll make them really affordable. Buying them all will be way cheaper than buying the normal bundle. We're toying with

Secondly we'll try to set up some sort of discount system for existing users. I have no idea what it'll look like, e.g. if it's going to be a promo code or a crossgrade or whatsoever.

Thing is, more and more stuff is moving towards all-in-one online stores. Even Audio Units will eventually move into the App Store. We have no clue how to deal with this yet. But we're trying to make this as painless as possible.

Urs

thank you very much for the reply, Urs (also thanks to Anosou)! hey, i'm really excited! patching cables in Reason is so sexy ...

mello

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:14 pm

liquidsound wrote:This could be the V_iagra for Reason Users. They can endure with the same old wife...

It can also be thought of as the Summer's Eve for VST users. At the rate these bloody comments are flowing in this thread, it could be helpful....

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:23 pm

xh3rv wrote: One thing I really feel pretty strongly about - if Reason RE a profitable, piracy-free platform it will benefit developers' customers beyond Reason users.

Very true! I'm actually quite surprised why the Wibu key (the one Reason uses for protection) wasn't wider spread. AFAIK it's only Propellerheads and SSL who use that system. As far as I know it is a completely uncracked system so far and Wibu seem to take hacking very seriously.. a person who thinks he can hack the system can even get a ton of money from Wibu if they contact them about any weaknesses.

Perhaps the licenses are too expensive? Who knows..

Anyhow, I agree with you there. It's also a pretty nice system allowing you to use it with or without the dongle (only if you have a network connection though).

Cheers!
bManic

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:26 pm

simesf wrote:
musikmachine wrote:
arp_laszlo wrote:@spaceman: don't forget about hair loss treatments!

@realisation:
No the hair loss treatments definitely work, i'm bald as a coot.
Did using Reason before Reason Extensions make your hair fall out?

Probably.

SonicDimension · Post by **SonicDimension** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:36 pm

xh3rv wrote: One thing I really feel pretty strongly about - if Reason RE a profitable, piracy-free platform it will benefit developers' customers beyond Reason users.

The piracy issue is interesting. In some ways, the Re format and store/distribution system reminds me of my experience with Valve's Steam service for PC gaming. The added value in getting a game on Steam (and the awesome discounts) led me to purchase loads of games that I would have pirated (or not played at all) otherwise.

Rack extensions could provide a similar value-added experience that will encourage people to buy plug-ins instead of pirating them. Having annual holiday sales and daily deals in the store wouldn't hurt either

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:35 pm

xh3rv wrote:I just want to challenge some of the perspectives in this thread.

Accepted!

xh3rv wrote: Does anyone honestly think any plug-in format gets everything right? Wouldn't diversity help that?

No.
Actually, it would do the opposite.

Well, unless this is a theoretical problem to be solved without consideration for the concepts of limited time and resources.
Then yeah, sure.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:43 pm

highkoo wrote:Well, unless this is a theoretical problem to be solved without consideration for the concepts of limited time and resources.
Then yeah, sure.

Thankfully, limited time and resources is precisely what Rack Extensions will address. According to the video featuring Ernst, existing code for an already built DSP can be used and compiled in 15 minutes with (presumably) the RE SDK. Other than that, it's hashing out the GUI and any other features the dev's want to wrap.

I can't see why any dev wouldn't want to distribute in the Rack Extension store. It will take little time and effort and only result in them selling products to a legion of Reason users that otherwise wouldn't have bought the VST.

This is no different that devs selling in Apple's app store for iOS releasing the same app on Google's Android (except that it will be easier). Mo money!

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:01 pm

EnochLight wrote: existing code for an already built DSP can be used and compiled in 15 minutes with (presumably) the RE SDK.

We keep taking this out of context - actually if you watch that video Ernst says that the developer was "up and running" in 15 minutes, but it then "obviously took considerably more work" to finish the port, mostly on the UI elements.

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:12 pm

I'd be curious to know how long it took for Urs or Magnus to port their plugins.

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:24 pm

For me the clincher will be what synths are available. But think of sound design with something like Imposcar or Diva will all the patch points on the back and soft-tube reverbs and eq all in the combinator and and and its just going to be crazy. CPU killer for sure though.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:25 pm

Freeze will be essential, as well as delay compensation.

During the decade and a half that VST has been around these are lessons that were fairly quickly learnt. And my enjoyment of VSTs is entirely down to the host environment. so hopefully this is an area Propellerhead will continue to focus on improving (I'm sure they will...!)

Musikmesse 2012: Propellerhead to share "exciting news"