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risome · Post by **risome** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:00 pm

+1 for that Andy

ZenPunkHippy · Post by **ZenPunkHippy** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:05 pm

djanthonyw wrote:Andy, I think you quoted me when you meant to quote Igro.

Oops, sorry ... I actually meant to quote you and not Igro. Corrected, fwiw.

Peace,
Andy.

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:09 pm

Andy, spot on. It was too long time ago I had access to a real SH-101 to state facts.

It's great to hear from someone like you, who OWNS THE REAL THING it's the closest 101 emulation yet.

Not surprised, it's d16 for goodness sake.

metrosonic · Post by **metrosonic** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:36 pm

dalor wrote:Andy, spot on. It was too long time ago I had access to a real SH-101 to state facts.

It's great to hear from someone like you, who OWNS THE REAL THING it's the closest 101 emulation yet.

Not surprised, it's d16 for goodness sake.

I'm also an SH-101 owner and to my mind the LuSH-101 doesn't come as close to emulating the Roland hardware as Diva does to the various hardware it in turn emulates. To my ears the filter behaviour is way off and it lacks the rounded warmth that you can get out of a real SH-101.

My opinion is very obviously subjective but so is Andy's.

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dalor · Post by **dalor** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:42 pm

metrosonic, I'm sure if you both compare your real SH-101 next to each other, they will sound different anyway.

Same discussions have been around for decades about the TB-303. Same hardware revisions - slightly different sound and unique fingerprint.

Mogular · Post by **Mogular** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:47 pm

First thing I did last night when I got it was to try and create the bass sound in roygbiv from Boards of Canada. This synth is about the closest I have ever got to that sound (pretty sure they used an SH-101 on this track). I couldn't get the attack to sound the same but everything else was close enough. There is some other processing going on with this sound too (definitely going through a reverb ambience sound - like it sounds like it is in a small room - as well as some eq'ing and compression) so it is pretty difficult to nail the sound 100%.

All I wanted lush to be was to be as close to an SH-101 without me having to buy the real thing and I think on that level at least, D16 have done a very convincing job.

phraggle · Post by **phraggle** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:57 am

Got it this morning, have been having lots of fun with it - nice sounding plugin, not necessarily the most analogue sounding, but easy on the ears all the same. If only it would stop crashing Logic like a motherf***er...

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:44 am

Mogular wrote:First thing I did last night when I got it was to try and create the bass sound in roygbiv from Boards of Canada. This synth is about the closest I have ever got to that sound (pretty sure they used an SH-101 on this track). I couldn't get the attack to sound the same but everything else was close enough. There is some other processing going on with this sound too (definitely going through a reverb ambience sound - like it sounds like it is in a small room - as well as some eq'ing and compression) so it is pretty difficult to nail the sound 100%.

All I wanted lush to be was to be as close to an SH-101 without me having to buy the real thing and I think on that level at least, D16 have done a very convincing job.

Did you set envelope mode to SH-101 in the options menu? It's not defaulted to it ......

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:56 am

dalor wrote:Kriminal, could you please post sound examples of the same settings in SH-101 and LuSH-101 just for my own sanity?

I 'll see if my mate will send some. BTW the settings dont match, but that was to be expected.

Mogular · Post by **Mogular** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:59 am

Crackbaby wrote:
Did you set envelope mode to SH-101 in the options menu? It's not defaulted to it ......

I did discover this but it seems this has more to do with retriggering the envelope when several notes are held down and then some are released, so nothing to do with the attack at least on roygbiv.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:05 am

Is there any way to copy the settings from one layer to another without making a layer preset?

edit: never mind... found it

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:28 am

I bought this. I've played with an SH-101, but never owned one. I find the SH rather ho-hum anyway, so I don't care if its a perfect emulation. What I like about it, and the way I'm likely to use it, is to create my own layered, arpeggiated patches with effects. IMHO this is where it really stands out, and takes it well beyond SH-101 territory. No, it doesn't have the sound quality of Diva, but I can't play 4 instances of Diva at the same time without breaking my CPU either. Perhaps my expectations are different than many of the disappointed people on here, but I see and hear a lot of potential here between the layering, the arpeggiator, and the effects.

adamszabo · Post by **adamszabo** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:35 am

Sendy wrote:Supersaw should've been more JP-8000-like with the highpassed saws and nonlinear detune. I don't know why but highpassed saws 'fit together' better when you stack them. Probably something to do with the doubling of fundamentals. Even looking on a scope, straight saws look awkward in clusters compared to highpassed ones. Roland's engineers knew this.

The Lush 101's supersaw is actually 9 saws and not 7, i just checked. BTW, the high pass in the first Roland supersaw synths was there to reduce the aliasing, because they propably used very low quality saws for the supersaw. In their modern synths like the V-Synth, the supersaw has no more high pass filter because I guess the synth was powerful enough to generate higher quality saws for the supersaw.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:41 am

TheoM wrote:
actually, motu digital performer pre renders, which will make this synth far more usable for those that use DP.

The way it works is, after you play your part, it automatically makes an invisible freeze file in the backround, and releases the cpu, all behind the scenes, and if you need to edit, it automatically "comes alive" again, etc.

it works very well, and i am surprised no other daw ever implemented it to this day.

Nice idea. How does it work with plugins like Diva and D-Cam that can be set to have different quality levels for realtime playing and offline render - if I have Diva set to best for offline renders for example would it take that into account and use that setting for this pre render?

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:59 am

Ingonator wrote:Did anyone manage to get some really deep (earth shattering...) Bass sounds with LuSH-101?

I made a quite nice one in TAL BassLine but so far it's impossible to get such sounds in LuSH-101. Even adding the Sub Osc does not really make a big difference.

Here is a preset done with TAL BassLine (no FXs added):
TAL Bassline_Bass Demo 01

So far it was no big problem doing such sounds with most of the newer VA synths (e.g. Saurus, Oxium, Diva etc.).

Either i'm stupid or such sounds are not possible in LuSH-101 which would be strange. Usually i'm quite good in finding my way around new synths but in this case maybe i have missed something. Or not?

Ingo

Hi,

this morning i thought i could give it another try and again tried to reproduce a comparable sound to the demo posted above.

Here is the first result i got:
LuSH-101_Bass Demo 01

I thought "Wow, that sounds much better than yesterday, maybe i was really too stupid". The i realized that i had used a preset that was loaded when opening the Ableton Live project from yesterday and not reloading the plugin with the "Default" preset like usual.
To make a long story short i found that the Chorus FX was still activated.
Here is the same track without the Chorus and any other FXs:

LuSH-101_Bass Demo 02

The preset was transposed to -12 as the 16' octave does correspond more to a 8' it looks.

BTW i found that the Sub-Osc in luSH-101 seems to be very quiet. In this example it was set to the full volume. If i do the same in some other plugins the only thing you will hear is the Sub-Osc.

Ingo