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BASSDRIVE · Post by **BASSDRIVE** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:35 am

A great modern sounding synth, but the high CPU spikes and font size are a bit disappointing. I don't understand what they were thinking?!?!? Do you have to have like a 42" monitor or what? I have a 23" 1080P screen which is a decent size and it's still way too small IMO. It's a headache if your programming away for a while. If they wanted to keep the size of this GUI the same, they could have at least reduced the size of the keyboard keys. Those keys take up a 1/3 of the GUI surface. Shrink those damn keys and enlarge everything else, or just eliminate those keys! Those keys serve no real purpose, other than just art.

faun2500 · Post by **faun2500** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:56 am

BASSDRIVE wrote:A great modern sounding synth, but the high CPU spikes and font size are a bit disappointing. I don't understand what they were thinking?!?!? Do you have to have like a 42" monitor or what? I have a 23" 1080P screen which is a decent size and it's still way too small IMO. It's a headache if your programming away for a while. If they wanted to keep the size of this GUI the same, they could have at least reduced the size of the keyboard keys. Those keys take up a 1/3 of the GUI surface. Shrink those damn keys and enlarge everything else, or just eliminate those keys! Those keys serve no real purpose, other than just art.

I agree that the gui is not right. I couldn't even see half of the text and the keyboard looks great but is completely unnecessary.

I personally didn't like the sound either. It sounds very digital/bright/hollow.
Maybe that is how the SH101 sounded? But I can't imagine it did.

Also, I wish preset designers would listen to their presets in headphones. The amount of reverb on everything is ridiculous.

Sorry to be negative but there are a few things I like; if the GUI was bigger it would look great. The unison/spread sounded phat and the envelopes sounded plucky but overall not the deep/warm analogue sound I was expecting.

Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:06 am

I'm really confused about the feedback in this topic....

Ok Lush has no Ringmod, so hmm would you prefer it, if Lush has Ringmod, and only 1 layer and NO additional FX? For 149€? Than all the negative coments would turn into a "Yeah"? Really?

Comparision with TAL - well did't works for me, because TAL is TAL, and Lush is Lush. Nothing against TAL, but i think the D16 guys, are genius on DSP coding, so i'm very sure, they can and has created a highly accurate emulation of the Sh-101. And based on the 2 demos of Ingonator - i think both were very different. So for me personally out of the topic in the case of comparision. The only counting comparision would be dry Lush-101 with SH Filter + Env + Trigger Mode on against a SH-101.

Anyway, instead of 1 Layer with Ringmod you get 8 Layers! 8 SH101 in 1! With complete and great mixer matrix. Addtional FX. Awesome quality - the dry facts are i guess pretty clear saying "it's much more as a synth who re-creates the SH101 sound" and than coming up so many negativ coments?

The only thing to be not happy about is of course the CPU usage. But this is the price for awesome sound!
D-CAM Synthsquad - also eats good CPU
DIVA - eats a lot of CPU
Lush-101 - well sometimes it eats maybe more CPU as DIVA (BUT than there are running 8 Synths in this 1 Lush synth!)

So on the CPU topic, this should be clear in front, that there are working up to 8 synths at once. By direct comparision of just 1 layer + master fx i think the cpu level is ok - for the benchmark league(in the same also DIVA and D-CAM are).

Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:17 am

Btw about the pricing issue (because for many people EVERYTHING is too expensive...)

Native Instruments Razor - sounds superb, cost 69€ but eat's the same CPU amount as Lush-101 and well.... if you you buy it for 69€, you can't save your presets as preset. For the option to save your sounds you need Reaktor or Komplete, so hm 379 oder 479€ additional euros.

Sometimes i getting sick of all the price moaning. Sylenth1 cost more, and can less for less quality, but all have it - mysterious!

And Apple stuff is never expensive(also if it cost ~50% as similar products) but all buy it, bceause ot's Apple...

Horrible times for products with a fair and good value for money amount in great quality...

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:20 am

It's because rich people are hogging all the money while millions starve and have to cut down on VST consumption

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:21 am

Don't like the GUI, don't like the CPU usage, don't like the sound...
I don't need my 10% discount

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:27 am

Cyforce wrote:I'm really confused about the feedback in this topic....

Ok Lush has no Ringmod, so hmm would you prefer it, if Lush has Ringmod, and only 1 layer and NO additional FX? For 149€? Than all the negative coments would turn into a "Yeah"? Really?

Comparision with TAL - well did't works for me, because TAL is TAL, and Lush is Lush. Nothing against TAL, but i think the D16 guys, are genius on DSP coding, so i'm very sure, they can and has created a highly accurate emulation of the Sh-101. And based on the 2 demos of Ingonator - i think both were very different. So for me personally out of the topic in the case of comparision. The only counting comparision would be dry Lush-101 with SH Filter + Env + Trigger Mode on against a SH-101.

Anyway, instead of 1 Layer with Ringmod you get 8 Layers! 8 SH101 in 1! With complete and great mixer matrix. Addtional FX. Awesome quality - the dry facts are i guess pretty clear saying "it's much more as a synth who re-creates the SH101 sound" and than coming up so many negativ coments?

I just mentioned the Ringmod and the FM/Crossmod as the synth was praised as "The only synth you'll ever need" which with a lack of those two is just not correct.
They managed to do Osc Sync in LuSH-101 so doing that would have been maybe possible too.

About the layers:
I have already done that with TAL U-NO-LX inside Mutools MUX. Including FXs and a detune knob for the second layer:

A "killer feature" in LuSH-101 would have been to have interactions between the layers like e.g. using a third envelope from layer 2 for modulation in layer 1 or doing Osc Sync of layer 1 and layer 2 or combining the filters of layer 1 and layer 2.

Ingo

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:29 am

I like the idea behind this plugin, but Im not going to be jumping on board this one. I like D16 stuff so I'll probably end up buying it at some point, but not now.

I already own a bunch of VA plugins that can cover most of the sounds that LuSH can do.

Nice plugin though.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:32 am

V0RT3X wrote:I like the idea behind this plugin, but Im not going to be jumping on board this one. I like D16 stuff so I'll probably end up buying it at some point, but not now.

I already own a bunch of VA plugins that can cover most of the sounds that LuSH can do.

Nice plugin though.

Exactly my thought. Nice plugin but nothing i really need. Maybe i'll change my mind sometimes in the future after they have done an update to e.g. the GUI and CPU use.

Ingo

Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:32 am

About the layers:
I have already done that with TAL U-NO-LX inside Mutools MUX. Including FXs and a detune knob for the second layer:...

Well i can also take DIVA or Strobe, create instead of one instrument track in my DAW 8 tracks! But if i hit than only one note on all 8 Strobe's or DIVAs, my CPU will breakdown. Same as on Lush maybe, so what's the point?

Is now multi-trimble "bad"? Because you can logical do it with more work and time effort via DAW....?

It looks sometimes like bad/down-talking Lush. Specially the constant reference to TAL.

The fact is, Lush is the atm best possible and available emulation of the SH-101, but loaded with a bunch of extras and bundled to 8 in 1. That's it, point, over and out.

ostfront · Post by **ostfront** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:37 am

faun2500 wrote:
BASSDRIVE wrote:A great modern sounding synth, but the high CPU spikes and font size are a bit disappointing. I don't understand what they were thinking?!?!? Do you have to have like a 42" monitor or what? I have a 23" 1080P screen which is a decent size and it's still way too small IMO. It's a headache if your programming away for a while. If they wanted to keep the size of this GUI the same, they could have at least reduced the size of the keyboard keys. Those keys take up a 1/3 of the GUI surface. Shrink those damn keys and enlarge everything else, or just eliminate those keys! Those keys serve no real purpose, other than just art.
I agree that the gui is not right. I couldn't even see half of the text and the keyboard looks great but is completely unnecessary.

Yes, what's up with the ginormous keyboard? And this is supposed to be a professional product by professional coders/GUI designers?

Oh, come on...

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:37 am

Cyforce wrote:Sometimes i getting sick of all the price moaning.

Sometimes I get sick of all the moaning about people allegedly moaning but who are in fact just offering a comment...

metrosonic · Post by **metrosonic** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:40 am

hakey wrote:
Cyforce wrote:Sometimes i getting sick of all the price moaning.
Sometimes I get sick of all the moaning about people allegedly moaning but who are in fact just offering a comment...

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hakey · Post by **hakey** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:45 am

Cyforce wrote:The fact is, Lush is the atm best possible and available emulation of the SH-101

Opinion =! Fact

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:49 am

Cyforce wrote:
Native Instruments Razor - sounds superb, cost 69€ but eat's the same CPU amount as Lush-101 and well.... if you you buy it for 69€, you can't save your presets as preset.

Of course you can