KVR Audio

Markus808 · Post by **Markus808** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:01 pm

double post

ontrackp · Post by **ontrackp** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:07 pm

Hey Markus -

Very similar to my early setup. I wanted a Prophet 5 so badly, but couldn't afford it. You're right --- all that bouncing was crazy... but fun, and educational. Everyone should start with a portastudio! Great way to learn how to record and mix.

Markus808 · Post by **Markus808** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:13 pm

Yeah exactly, ontrackp!

Some years ago I bought a quite inexpensive Boss BR-600 digital recorder (8-track) and with that had some kind of reminiscing of the good old times with my Portastudio before turning to Ableton Live completely... Perhaps I should have kept it...

And yeah, the Prophet-5 is a great synth, I still have it and play it from time to time (Donald Fagen used one on his latest solo album, which I find quite cool). I was so lucky that the music shop owner sold it to me at that price!

(results, anyone?)

rockingricky · Post by **rockingricky** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:53 pm

Parduz wrote:Geez!
What age have you, guys? -edit- This is really just a question, not kidding you in any way
.

... kidding in any way

I was born in 1958.

...too old for rock'n roll, too young to die...

Parduz wrote: -edit2-
On a side note, i dream on how much i could learn by having one of my compositions mixed/mastered by each of you.... i find mixing/mastering a thing so "alien" to me.... i think i don't have even the ears able to catch what it should be done, go figure.

Agreed!
Composing is the really fun, sound design is ok, but the mixdown is hard work. Additionally total confused, when the sound get worse after changing in MP3.

ThePresent · Post by **ThePresent** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:56 pm

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Markus808 · Post by **Markus808** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:59 pm

rockingricky wrote:Additionally total confused, when the sound get worse after changing in MP3.

Maybe you should try using 320 kbit cbr stereo 44 kHz MP3 instead of 144 kbit vbr 22 kHz?!

ontrackp · Post by **ontrackp** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:02 pm

Re mixing (just my humble opinion): The problem I have with mixing, is that by the time I'm ready to mix, I've already heard the "perfect" version of the song in my head, so doing the mix is really a time consuming exercise in meticulous experimentation. You have to be very methodical and pay tremendous attention to detail. And don't second guess your instincts.

ThePresent · Post by **ThePresent** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:04 pm

About mixing: this guy is an awesome teacher

http://www.mixedbymarcmozart.com

ontrackp · Post by **ontrackp** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:10 pm

Markus808 wrote:
rockingricky wrote:Additionally total confused, when the sound get worse after changing in MP3.
Maybe you should try using 320 kbit cbr stereo 44 kHz MP3 instead of 144 kbit vbr 22 kHz?!

You should avoid using 22k sampling frequency! If you have frequencies above 11k in your track they will sound bad (Nyquist limit). If you have to make really, really small files you should filter them first to prep for the lower bandwidth reproduction. You also need to keep an eye on overall dynamics when making low resolution files. A more dynamic file will sound better -- may not be as loud, but it won't be crunchy crap.

Markus808 · Post by **Markus808** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:13 pm

ontrackp wrote:Re mixing (just my humble opinion): The problem I have with mixing, is that by the time I'm ready to mix, I've already heard the "perfect" version of the song in my head, so doing the mix is really a time consuming exercise in meticulous experimentation. You have to be very methodical and pay tremendous attention to detail. And don't second guess your instincts.

I think that Phill Brown (British engineer and producer) is not quite wrong when he states in his autobiography ("Are we still rolling?", interesting read BTW) that for each and every song there is only one "right" mix, and when mixing you should try to get to that. When mixing I only go after my gut feeling (does the mix FEEL right?), and I try to avoid thinking too much about it!

LuxLucid · Post by **LuxLucid** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:29 pm

My main mixing teachers were/are Bob Katz and Dave Pensado. Katz has some ingenious articles/lectures* and I highly recommend subbing to Pensado Palace, mainly for 'into the lair' and similar "series."

*(he had this wonderful analogy for digital sound: imagine your main buss as a gaint waterpipe, and the sound is the water. Your sub-busses are like a pipe system leading into the main, and compression/limiting conrols the 'speed' of the water and volume is like the pipe's overall size, or something like that. really interesting)

doctorbob · Post by **doctorbob** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:43 pm

Hi,

Was born in 1950 ... that's all I have to say on that note!

dB

ontrackp · Post by **ontrackp** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:45 pm

LuxLucid -- it's funny. When I first learned about signal routing on a "big" board I was taught using the water metaphor. I was told to think of the audio signal as being like water and when mixing, each channel is a pipe and inserts, sends, returns, and buses are valves that you open, etc.... It's a great metaphor. Ahhhh.... the good old days!

ontrackp · Post by **ontrackp** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:46 pm

Markus808 · Post by **Markus808** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:49 pm

I'm born in 1970 ... (me, too)
I was born in 1958 ...
Was born in 1950 ...
1956 ...

Maybe that's a good explanation why there are so many great real COMPOSITIONS and SONGS in this OSC (not only sound gimmicks and quickly written stuff)!

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