Reason 12 announced

[EnochLight]

BTW, does Reason+ already properly scale the transport bar and tool icons? Because the beta does not (they've unsightly scaling artefacts).

There are some areas of the transport bar that still aren't in hi-res. It's just the rack devices (and all 3rd party RE's) and mixer that are all in hi-res so far. I expect that to be rolled out over point updates over the next 2 months before R12 launches in September, but we'll see how that pans out.

[antic604]

BTW, does Reason+ already properly scale the transport bar and tool icons? Because the beta does not (they've unsightly scaling artefacts).

There are some areas of the transport bar that still aren't in hi-res. It's just the rack devices (and all 3rd party RE's) and mixer that are all in hi-res so far. I expect that to be rolled out over point updates over the next 2 months before R12 launches in September, but we'll see how that pans out.

Thanks

[antic604]

To be fair, this is absolutely no different than most other sub services out there. No big deal.

Right, but somehow Presonus doesn't seem to be so aggressive and sneaky about it. I don't know about Avid, because I'm not interested in ProTools.

And BTW, by recent poll on Twitter 20-25% of Studio One users are already on Sphere. I wonder what's the tally for Reason (excluding those 3-for-3$ people, obviously).

If you aren't willing to take the risk, never sub and stick with the perpetual license model.

Aren't subscribers at more risk, staying with nothing if they stop subscribing or RS goes belly up?

[jens]

Meanwhile I am having a fabulous time right now and for the next 12 weeks with lovely Hi Res Reason and all of the amazing instruments like Algortym and Friktion for the price of a coffee!

Exactly! That's what they want. You're a good boy!

[SLiC]

Meanwhile I am having a fabulous time right now and for the next 12 weeks with lovely Hi Res Reason and all of the amazing instruments like Algortym and Friktion for the price of a coffee!

Exactly! That's what they want. You're a good boy!

Such a good boy I may subscribe even though I own the perpetual licence, the cost is inconsequential to me in the scheme of things and if they add a couple of new instruments each year and a few soundpacks packs each month I'm more than happy

[SLiC]

Aren't subscribers at more risk, staying with nothing if they stop subscribing or RS goes belly up?

It's not cloud based, you still have the software physically installed, if they went belly up 5 minutes later there would be something on the web to run it anyway....

I have 11 suite and get 12 free, but to buy the rather good new stuff since Suite 11 would still cost me another £250...they offered a years subscription recently for £130, there will be a price point for most people where it actually makes sense if you normally keep up to date (we should know- Bitwig Annual Plan!)

Personally I think it's all going to end up subscription eventually, pretty much everything. TBH it will probably costs me less than buying updates anyway...I tend buy on impulse when I am bored then get sucked in to updating stuff I hardly ever use anyway in another bloody no brainer update sale! Subscription may save me from myself

[jens]

Such a good boy I may subscribe even though I own the perpetual licence, the cost is inconsequential to me in the scheme of things and if they add a couple of new instruments each year and a few soundpacks packs each month I'm more than happy

I on the other hand have zero interest in bending over.

[SLiC]

Such a good boy I may subscribe even though I own the perpetual licence, the cost is inconsequential to me in the scheme of things and if they add a couple of new instruments each year and a few soundpacks packs each month I'm more than happy

I on the other hand have zero interest in bending over.

Good for you, sounds to me like you would be much better of buying from a different company that you trust and like the direction of....

[jens]

Yeah, I dunno - a lot seems to have changed with that new dude at the helm... can't imagine the older staff being too happy about it or too much a fan of his... but since I already own and daily use R11 (on Win 11 now) there is no need for me to buy from ANY company - and I may very well be much better off doing exactly that. (that's the bargain of the century )


There's a few things I'd like them to improve and I would certainly and gladly pay good money for it, but none of that they even just hinted at so far, so as I already said I will have a good look at R12 when it's available and then decide whether the new stuff is worth for me what they're going to ask for it.

[SLiC]

On Win 11? How's that running?

Yeh, I got 11 suite with a free update to 12 for bugger all in the sale as an upgrade from a free version of intro or something....For the moment its full on honeymoon period, am totally blown away with Algorithm and Friktion that I can access with the 333 deal, if they keep putting out high quality stuff like then they have my attention.

Also I *think* if you download all of the sound packs with your free/cheap subscription you can keep using them with your perpetual licence with no subscription....so even if I bail after the 333 deal and revert to my perpetual licence I will have/own all of the sound packs to that date (but will miss Algorithm and Friktion )

[EnochLight]

Right, but somehow Presonus doesn't seem to be so aggressive and sneaky about it.

I disagree. When PreSonus Sphere launched, they were aggressive as hell and incredibly in your face about it, so let's revisit this in a year after Reason+ has been around for a while. I don't know why people think anything is "sneaky" about it. None of this is being forced - it's all optional.

Aren't subscribers at more risk, staying with nothing if they stop subscribing or RS goes belly up?

No more than perpetual license holders are at risk, because if they go belly up, the authentication servers go away, so no way to re-authorize Reason or any RE's if you need to re-install (new computer, drive/disc failure, etc). There's inherent risk in everything we do in the software world. I suppose it's best to weigh your risks and take the plunge or not. But I'm sorry to be the one to tell you - even if you're a perpetual license holder, there's risk.

Also I *think* if you download all of the sound packs with your free/cheap subscription you can keep using them with your perpetual licence with no subscription....

That is 100% correct! Obviously if a Soundpack uses devices that you don't have, that'll be problematic, but it's easy enough to buy ala-cart if you want after the fact. Or re-sub...

[antic604]

Right, but somehow Presonus doesn't seem to be so aggressive and sneaky about it.

I disagree. When PreSonus Sphere launched, they were aggressive as hell and incredibly in your face about it, so let's revisit this in a year after Reason+ has been around for a while. I don't know why people think anything is "sneaky" about it. None of this is being forced - it's all optional.

Aren't subscribers at more risk, staying with nothing if they stop subscribing or RS goes belly up?

No more than perpetual license holders are at risk, because if they go belly up, the authentication servers go away, so no way to re-authorize Reason or any RE's if you need to re-install (new computer, drive/disc failure, etc). There's inherent risk in everything we do in the software world. I suppose it's best to weigh your risks and take the plunge or not. But I'm sorry to be the one to tell you - even if you're a perpetual license holder, there's risk.

They're sneaky in the way how they reply to questions from community, how the website is designed to lead you to R+ almost anywhere you click, how their ads for 1Y+ have been "Reason..." but it's always "Rack" in some other DAW. It's really tiring and quite different from Presonus, where the only thing that bothers me is exclusive video tutorials they get.

But you're right I might be exaggerating - I've a much stronger emotional attachment to Reason, whereas S1 is basically a cold tool. Also I've spent way more money on Reason + REs.

Sure. I am aware of risks related to software, but I thought - and still do - subscription services have more of them, or at least they seem more definitive. The main problem is I have to pay to bo able to use it, even if I don't like the new devices and/or features they release. With perpetual license I can pick & choose what and when I get and can still use it all the time, even if I decided never to give them another $1.

[antic604]

...am totally blown away with Algorithm and Friktion that I can access with the 333 deal, if they keep putting out high quality stuff like then they have my attention.

There's some magic to most of RS devices, isn't there huh?

[SLiC]

Just for clarity from the website

Can I buy Reason if I don’t want to subscribe?

Of course. We have no plans to go subscription only. Reason is available in our shop, but you should know it does not include all our instruments and effects - nor any of the Sound Packs or major upgrades included in Reason+

If I already use Reason, can I keep using my license?

Sure! You bought it, it is yours. And we will keep developing Reason and selling licenses in our shop if you prefer to own instead of subscribe.

You can upgrade from any previous version of Reason to Reason 11 for $129 / €129
(I assume this will be the same for 12)

[EnochLight]

They're sneaky in the way how they reply to questions from community, how the website is designed to lead you to R+ almost anywhere you click, how their ads for 1Y+ have been "Reason..." but it's always "Rack" in some other DAW. It's really tiring and quite different from Presonus, where the only thing that bothers me is exclusive video tutorials they get.

It's weird - maybe it's a Swedish thing? Beats me. Ironically, PreSonus is an American company that's still based out of the US. Usually it's the American companies that everyone calls sneaky and draws the ire of the world - LOL!!! It's like we're living in an upside down world.

...am totally blown away with Algorithm and Friktion that I can access with the 333 deal, if they keep putting out high quality stuff like then they have my attention.

There's some magic to most of RS devices, isn't there huh?

Algorithm and Friktion are just really great plugins - so well designed and they sound fantastic. Sometimes I get so caught up in the world of VST that forget how well designed RE's can be. Looking forward to more RS devices like those!