Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...

[myrna]

TDM is not native.

and the goalposts, predictably, move again.

The inventor of native instruments (not the brand, the technology) was Steinberg in 1996.

Except the VST standard didnt support MIDI input, and hence instruments, until 1999. Amusingly, NI had a native instrument' version of Reaktor out in 1998, but other software 'native instruments' were running before that, such as Reality in 1997, or Audio Architect which actually was on v4 in 1999.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1997_ar ... ality.html
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep98/a ... rator.html
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar99/a ... ioarch.htm

facts arent your strong point, are they?

I remember in 1986 I played "magic synth" on my Commodore 64. It had a 49 kes keyboard, too. And 3 voice Sid polyphonic

[whyterabbyt]

I remember in 1986 I played "magic synth" on my Commodore 64. It had a 49 kes keyboard, too. And 3 voice Sid polyphonic

Are you saying Steinberg invented the SID chip?



Or that somehow native software synths didnt exist prior to Steinberg inventing them in 1999 because you once used a home computer with an analog chip in it?

seriously, you're embarassing the f**k out of yourself.

[myrna]

Let's say if one day I'll switch from DAW A to DAW B and want to transfer my songs, i just export the midis and arm the tracks with the same plugins. It's not that difficult.

You clearly don't do complex routing. It's not that easy. I have some tracks on 1/4" 8-track tape that I don't have access to. I think that this is more of a perceived concern than an actual concern.

Finish your tracks, write the stems, save the midi to be chopped up independently later, and move on to new things!

I just play midi tracks: even my singer's voice is sampled and triggered in a vst sampler. No audio tracks in my songs. If I need complex routing and sound master, i call the studio.

[ghettosynth]

I remember in 1986 I played "magic synth" on my Commodore 64. It had a 49 kes keyboard, too. And 3 voice Sid polyphonic

Are you saying Steinberg invented the SID chip?



Or that somehow native software synths didnt exist prior to Steinberg inventing them in 1999 because you once used a home computer with an analog chip in it?

Not that it has any relevance to this thread, but, analog chips + software in a "home computer" goes at least back to the Apple II and Mountain Computer's Alpha Syntari. Of course, you couldn't say that any "invention", per se, was going on as these were just adaptations of the same concept being used in self contained digital synthesizers that also contained a "computer."

[myrna]

That is just what I mean: before Cinema there were hundreds of magic lanterns, before the motor cars there were horses etc. Steinberg did not invent "playing music on a computer". Steinberg invented VST. That is the real revolution, because it is a professional technology for everyone, not only for studios or rich musicians (I remember TDM prices: almost more expensive than REs*)

(* italian humor, don't start to explain me REs are actually cheaper than TDM...)

[ModuLR]

seems reason fans live in the fear of crash... as if the only important element of a song is "that was made in a never crashing daw"?! I mean, i understand "the workflow" and all the bullshit, but I prefer to play my pianoteq in the buggy Logic than renounce it using the "rock solid" reason. Since I am not playing live, but just composing.

So you prefer to play pianoteq in Logic, an AU host which has no native VST support? I presume you don't use any of the high quality logic effects or instruments simply because they are bound to Logic much like RE's.. you know, just in case you suddenly decide to switch DAWs, correct?

[myrna]

Correct: i avoid playing Logic instruments and I own only vst synths and effects. In Logic i obviously play them as AU, but not for my choice. What I like about Logic is al the rest and the green loops (which contain MIDI informations). I hope one day Logic will come back to be multiplatform and vst host. Regarding the samples (exs24 and ultrabeat) i converted my preferred presets/patches into kontakt and battery.

[george]

Back in 1995

[saturdaysaint]

Correct: i avoid playing Logic instruments and I own only vst synths and effects. In Logic i obviously play them as AU, but not for my choice. What I like about Logic is al the rest and the green loops (which contain MIDI informations). I hope one day Logic will come back to be multiplatform and vst host. Regarding the samples (exs24 and ultrabeat) i converted my preferred presets into kontakt and battery.

Are those green loops crossplatform? If not, you should really look into a more open loop format like REX.

[myrna]

Back in 1995

... back in 1985, somewhere in Italy:
http://www.delphinet.it/retroblog/softw ... modore-64/

[myrna]

Correct: i avoid playing Logic instruments and I own only vst synths and effects. In Logic i obviously play them as AU, but not for my choice. What I like about Logic is al the rest and the green loops (which contain MIDI informations). I hope one day Logic will come back to be multiplatform and vst host. Regarding the samples (exs24 and ultrabeat) i converted my preferred presets into kontakt and battery.

Are those green loops crossplatform? If not, you should really look into a more open loop format like REX.

Yes, they are. Appleloops are multiplatform. And you can always extract MIDI events from them. But I keep only the green ones (midi), i deleted all the blue ones (only audio). My "appleloops" folder is less than 1 gb.

[george]

Tastiera e programmi costano meno di 300.000 lire IVA inclusa

That's about 154.94 EUR

[whyterabbyt]

Steinberg did not invent "playing music on a computer".

Or audio plugins, or 'native instruments'.

Steinberg invented VST. That is the real revolution, because it is a professional technology for everyone, not only for studios or rich musicians (I remember TDM prices: almost more expensive than REs*)

VST isnt an invention, or even properly a 'technology'. Its an API allowing one to write a dynamic library that will pass specific data in a specific way. And pretty much everything that the original release of the VST API allowed, and the data it allowed one to pass, had already been implemented, in other APIs, in other software. No invention required, no revolution in progress.
It became a defacto standard, that's all. So did VHS, but that doesnt mean JVC invented videotape.

At this point you're obviously going to say something silly about APIs or Bing Crosby. Please dont bother.

[myrna]

"NOSTALGIA" (1985)

[damoog]

To much complaining going on about crashing,Pricing on RE and just general moaning about how Reason should have vst support....PLAIN AND SIMPLE-bloody look else were if you want plug ins,if you want an all in one solution that you can learn inside out and just make music with then reason is for you,I'm no teenage reason fanboy,im 36 years old and just love what reason has to offer for writing music...

I know there have been some bugs with the 6.5 release but reason has been really hammered since the 6.5 release at kvr,why dont the reason haters spend time writing music instead of typing how much they dislike reason,doesn't make any sense to me....I don't personally like Cubase but to millions it's amazing and I totally respect that