Monster Cable I have changed my mind!!!!!!!

[deaf dunderkwac]

of course...
why I plugged into a stomp box... but before that it was hum.... buzzz... click.... hum... buzzz and the occasional weird squealy sounds


and sometimes an actual guitar sound...


I don't refute yer knowledge.... am just adding some more to your wealth of information.

[Hink]

of course...
why I plugged into a stomp box... but before that it was hum.... buzzz... click.... hum... buzzz and the occasional weird squealy sounds


and sometimes an actual guitar sound...


I don't refute yer knowledge.... am just adding some more to your wealth of information.

it's appreciated, you seem like a good guy...

I laughed whem I got this ad about a box to connect my pc to my tv...my first thought wasn't "what a good idea"...it was "do they have any idea how noisey that will be?"

I still might get one though...

[mbell]

Balanced cables can run for very long distances with no problems at all (100 meters+). And if you want to hook up a guitar with a direct line via balanced xlrs, just use a DI box.

Most cables "sound" exactly the same, reqardless of quality. They either work, or they have shorts and don't. More expensive cables like monster might well be more durable, and have better materials though. And that whole warrenty thing.

[egbert]

I'm curious about the balanced les paul...which model...the bb king es is stereo out, not balanced...I'm wondering if the paul was the same....though in all my years of retail I have never seen a guitar with balanced outputs...I want to learn more about this les paul...

The Les Paul Recording is a truly weird looking animal - the p/ups did not look like the usual PAF things - they were black and rounded at the ends and one or both sloped like the bridge strat pickup. The body shape was like a Les Paul though. A guitarist in a blues band I used to see a long time ago had one so I saw it played live a few times but never actually played one myself.

[Hink]

Balanced cables can run for very long distances with no problems at all (100 meters+). And if you want to hook up a guitar with a direct line via balanced xlrs, just use a DI box.

Most cables "sound" exactly the same, reqardless of quality. They either work, or they have shorts and don't. More expensive cables like monster might well be more durable, and have better materials though. And that whole warrenty thing.

not to knock you and side with monster, but their time winded cable is logical, practical and real...the concept is good but perhaps to good to actually matter. As for cable runs, impedance is more important...that is why the di box is needed, after the di it's low z and better over long runs...so it's not the cable, but the di..

[ew]

I'm curious about the balanced les paul...which model...the bb king es is stereo out, not balanced...I'm wondering if the paul was the same....though in all my years of retail I have never seen a guitar with balanced outputs...I want to learn more about this les paul...

The Les Paul Recording is a truly weird looking animal - the p/ups did not look like the usual PAF things - they were black and rounded at the ends and one or both sloped like the bridge strat pickup. The body shape was like a Les Paul though. A guitarist in a blues band I used to see a long time ago had one so I saw it played live a few times but never actually played one myself.

There were a couple models; the Les Paul Recording and the Les Paul Professional. The pickups were the first low-impedance pickups that I remember, and there wasn't a built-in preamp; you had to use one of those plug-in matching transformers like you'd use with a low impedance mic into a high impedance board. I had a Pro myself; I'd bought it for $99 because 1)it had a headstock that'd broken off and reglued poorly, and 2)the pickups were the antithesis of the LP sound. I brought it to a luthier to get it repaired; when I came back to pick it up, he'd closed shop and moved

ew

[Hink]

I often questioned (but suspect it would cause hum) if you could run a balanced cable (trs) and instead of a second negative use the ring to phantom power pre-amps...

[Meffy]

What his thread needs is a THEME SONG!!!

Monster Cable, I Have Changed My Mind
by J.H. McCrikey

(uptempo electric country & western)

[chorus:] Oh, Monster Cable, I have changed my mind --
You were ahead but now you've got behind.
I thought you had the world's best guarantee,
But now you've gone and pulled the plug on me.

I got this cable here that don't do jack
And figured it was time to send 'er back.
But now it seems my warranty is wrecked,
So I'm a-singin' 'bout the disconnect.

[chorus]

I took your warranty all at its word
But lines that looked so sharp, they now are blurred.
Our whole relationship was built on trust,
But now ya done me wrong and it's gone bust.

[chorus]

The worst part is I used to sell this stuff...
In fact, you'd say I was a fan or buff.
There ain't no problem with your fancy wire,
But I don't let no-one make me a liar.

Oh, Monster Cable, I have changed my mind --
You were ahead but now you've got behind.
I thought you had me and you thought so too,
But now I've gone and pulled the plug on youuuu...

[Hink]

[deaf dunderkwac]

Balanced cables can run for very long distances with no problems at all (100 meters+). And if you want to hook up a guitar with a direct line via balanced xlrs, just use a DI box.

Most cables "sound" exactly the same, reqardless of quality. They either work, or they have shorts and don't. More expensive cables like monster might well be more durable, and have better materials though. And that whole warrenty thing.

not to knock you and side with monster, but their time winded cable is logical, practical and real...the concept is good but perhaps to good to actually matter. As for cable runs, impedance is more important...that is why the di box is needed, after the di it's low z and better over long runs...so it's not the cable, but the di..

here I go, adding to yer knowledge again...

Luckily the DI box also creates a balanced signal.
in a low-impedence circuit-
screening on a cable is actually not effective for rejecting extranious noise. Extranious noise is induced equally and in-phase into both wires of the twisted pair of wires. When connected to a proper balanced receiver, (either a very good transformer or the equivalent electronic version) The balanced receiver cancels or rejects the in-phase induced noise because it will only amplify the out-of phase signal (the balanced signal)
The twist of the cable is very important-

Twisted to loosely with unequal lengths and the cable won't reject noise as well, because the induced noise will not be equal.

Twisted to tightly in the same direction and the capacitance rises dramatically causing high-frequency loss thats quite audible.

Cat 5 cable was originally developed for the audio industry, (in case anyone's interested,) when some clever engineer figured that if you just reversed the twist of the wires at equal distances, the capacitance would be reduced also.
Of course this also increased the bandwidth-carrying capacity of the cable and....
well, there ya go.

hope I didn't put ya to sleep or anything...

[deaf dunderkwac]

gosh dern that was hilarious Meffy!!!!!

[Hink]

Balanced cables can run for very long distances with no problems at all (100 meters+). And if you want to hook up a guitar with a direct line via balanced xlrs, just use a DI box.

Most cables "sound" exactly the same, reqardless of quality. They either work, or they have shorts and don't. More expensive cables like monster might well be more durable, and have better materials though. And that whole warrenty thing.

not to knock you and side with monster, but their time winded cable is logical, practical and real...the concept is good but perhaps to good to actually matter. As for cable runs, impedance is more important...that is why the di box is needed, after the di it's low z and better over long runs...so it's not the cable, but the di..

here I go, adding to yer knowledge again...

Luckily the DI box also creates a balanced signal.
in a low-impedence circuit-
screening on a cable is actually not effective for rejecting extranious noise. Extranious noise is induced equally and in-phase into both wires of the twisted pair of wires. When connected to a proper balanced receiver, (either a very good transformer or the equivalent electronic version) The balanced receiver cancels or rejects the in-phase induced noise because it will only amplify the out-of phase signal (the balanced signal)
The twist of the cable is very important-

Twisted to loosely with unequal lengths and the cable won't reject noise as well, because the induced noise will not be equal.

Twisted to tightly in the same direction and the capacitance rises dramatically causing high-frequency loss thats quite audible.

Cat 5 cable was originally developed for the audio industry, (in case anyone's interested,) when some clever engineer figured that if you just reversed the twist of the wires at equal distances, the capacitance would be reduced also.
Of course this also increased the bandwidth-carrying capacity of the cable and....
well, there ya go.

hope I didn't put ya to sleep or anything...

yes but again, in my case using a di would probably be moot and because of two added connections could be subject to more loss...allbeit small...as you know I'm already running lo z. Now tbh the example is a little extreme as I can not see a time where I'll need a 100 meter guitar cable...talk about latency So in a realistic context I still say I'm pro-active...

[deaf dunderkwac]

naw...
just talking about cabling


but there was that time I ran out into the audience with my new wireless guitar rig and found meself lost in latency about 50 feet out...

[Hink]

naw...
just talking about cabling


but there was that time I ran out into the audience with my new wireless guitar rig and found meself lost in latency about 50 feet out...

see heres the anal thing, I would never go wireless..

[ew]

Come to think of it, I was wrong- there were THREE versions. There was also a Les Paul Artisian (a name they've reused since), which was a hollowbody. If I remember, they only made about 30 or so of them, though...

ew