Why is Logic Pro only on macs

[TeeLangSun]

the fact that Logic is still very prone to audio dropouts, like Sonar, where the playback simply stops and you get a message that you have to click through before getting the playback started again.

There is a preference option that lets you have it either way, your choice.

And just because *you've* experienced dropouts on your system, doesn't mean Logic is "prone" to them. Rock solid here, unless I expect more performance than my machine can give me.

If I call Apple, do you think they will tell me that there's something wrong with my system? LOL They're responsible for ever single part of it. No, the specific system idea is full of holes, especially when Cubase runs without dropouts in XP on this "Mac". If I experienced dropouts with Cubase in XP on this iMac, I'd shrug and say, probably something with the system, but I can run Cubase til the CPU maxes out without a dropout. Truth be told, Cubase running under Rosetta in OS X will display a message about CPU overload but it doesn't actually stop playback. So I think that the computer itself, and everything in it are doing fine. Remarkably so.

[kkkkkkkkk]

its just that core duo is leaps ahead of everything, the ppc chip was always on par with the pentiums, that is fact, not some inferioriity-complex bullshi*#

[kkkkkkkkk]

to the new user with logic pro with dropouts who has been using cubase for years....perhaps check the audio driver prefs, the buffer setting is your friend.

I can set it to the maximum, 1024, and not have ANY latency with virtual instruments, and get no dropouts until both my processors are at maximum usage. I do however get audio input latency ( when software monitoring ) when using 256 and above, and 256 is pushin int, but my dual 1.8ghz g4 did fine when it was sampletank 2 + 6 live guitar tracks ( 4 guitar amp pros, 1 sampletank, 1 b4 emulator, 1 clav emulator, exs24 instance, space designer, multi-band compressor, adaptive limiter, probably forgetting something else )

blind negativity towards a tool that many people find very useful and creative does no good for anyone

oh yes, if you're a logic user check these forums and mail lists
community.sonikmatter.com
logic-users.org
discussions.apple.com

and theres many more

[derek]

its just that core duo is leaps ahead of everything, the ppc chip was always on par with the pentiums, that is fact, not some inferioriity-complex bullshi*#

oh, the core duo is not "leaps ahead of everything" and the mentioned 1,66 core duo would probably end up being comparably fast or a little slower than i.e. a 2,x ghz single core dothan which has been on the market since...3 years or so? that still makes it a lot faster than any mobile G4 solution you could ever buy. which leads to the conclusion, that maybe the G4 was indeed not THAT fast...(even mac magazines realize that its ok to admit it now that its out of the way )

its all good. but a little sarcasm must be allowed, thinking of all the marketing BS during apple presentations, or how they removed the site with the fake speed comparisons from apple.com and all that stuff. that was very funny, thats all i wanted to say

[TeeLangSun]

to the new user with logic pro with dropouts who has been using cubase for years....perhaps check the audio driver prefs, the buffer setting is your friend.

I can set it to the maximum, 1024, and not have ANY latency with virtual instruments, and get no dropouts until both my processors are at maximum usage. I do however get audio input latency ( when software monitoring ) when using 256 and above, and 256 is pushin int, but my dual 1.8ghz g4 did fine when it was sampletank 2 + 6 live guitar tracks ( 4 guitar amp pros, 1 sampletank, 1 b4 emulator, 1 clav emulator, exs24 instance, space designer, multi-band compressor, adaptive limiter, probably forgetting something else )

blind negativity towards a tool that many people find very useful and creative does no good for anyone

oh yes, if you're a logic user check these forums and mail lists
community.sonikmatter.com
logic-users.org
discussions.apple.com

and theres many more

Before this turns into a flamewar, I'll will just state my belief. The very concept of an audio dropout should not exist in Logic as it does not exist in other similar products. Ask the Live users who use countless myriad of "systems" and settings, if the audio playback ever just stops. Ask the people who use Cubase, FL Studio, Orion, Acid, and so on, even if they're using these products on an "Apple System". So what about Logic. So, why wouldn't you expect the same performance from Logic on Apple's own system, or any other system with pretty much any settings? It sounds like you're saying, with Logic you must choose between performance, and playback but you may not get both at the same time, and that's OK.

[DHR53]

By audio dropouts do you mean, Core Audio overload?? As in when you open a song in Logic and press the spacebar... If that's what your referring to, yea that happens. I usually just place the spl in a spot in the middle and let it run... then start at the beginning, and it doesn't do it anymore. Only happens when opening Logic for the first time... But if your talking about repeatedly all the time, I'd suggest you use another DAW which you obviously have. Logic is not perfect... and this just provides more endless fodder for the KVR Mac/PC debate, as opposed to solutions.

[aallvor]

freeware VST loving cheapskate PC freaks...

What's funny is, that doesn't sound to me like a bad thing to be.



Freeware VST loving cheapskate PC freak, and proud(ish)!

I, on the other hand, feel shame and guilt

[warp x]

Why wont it come to pc.

Because macs are better

[The Chase]

[shamann]

Because macs are better

Oh, of course. Goes without saying, doesn't it?

[janfree1]

they wanted a pro audio app

Why would they want that, they already have Garageband !

Peter.

heh
I assume yr yankin our chains over here

I wanted to build a thing in GB based on a rilly kewl loop
which, clearly, by the time line was in 7/4
set the project for 7/4
would not see the 7 beat loop no mo
only sees 'em in 4/4
as a 'pro' I kinda sorta need to see ONE where ONE is
gee Mrs Cleaver

[Lord Snarebottom]

Because Macheadz are the only ones gullible enough to pay for crap software like Logic.

[janfree1]

to the new user with logic pro with dropouts who has been using cubase for years....perhaps check the audio driver prefs, the buffer setting is your friend.

I can set it to the maximum, 1024, and not have ANY latency with virtual instruments,

erm
U R lying to me

[kkkkkkkkk]

nope. I realize it doesnt make sense, but I only get latency when using software monitoring an outisde sound source, but the virtual instruments work great with the 1024 buffer

[mojkarma]

See, different strokes for different people.
I know you're a Cubase user, and I just passionately HATE the fact that it automatically adds a freaking bunch of channels whenever I insert a multiout VSTi. I usually only need 1-2 separate outputs, so I just don't need to see the others. I know, you can hide them in Cubase, but the first thing happening is them being added. After that you gotta hide them one by one, then click the hide button. In case you need an extra channel, you need to unhide *everything*, look for the damn channel, make it unhideable and re-hide the others. No thanks!
I just have enough channels in my Logic autoload song for the rest of my life, and whenever I need an extra VSTi output all it takes is setting one of my aux channel's inputs to the appropriate out. After that I may rearrange my mixer (something entirely impossible in Cubase), so the extra out sits where *I* want it, it's position not being forced by the sequencer.

Sascha, sooner or later, you always end up talking about facts which are against cubase. And while you are not telling all the truth it seems that logic has some great features above others which is not quite true.
First, you cannot move and rearrange the tracks in logics mixer at all. End of discussion. You can move/rearrange objects in the environment which looks like mixer channels.
But the environment mixer is not a real mixer and logic 7 forces you to use the intended mixer view instead of the environment. In the environment you will see all activated audio objects and it can be quite a mess to work with there because logic shows you all possible audioobjects, aux's, instruments, busses etc.
More important: you cannot copy/move effects from one slot to another. This is only possible in the "real" mixer (Logic 7). So, actually in the recent version of Logic you loose more than you get by using the environment mixer.
BTW, I respect everyones way to work with a sequencer, but I think it is far better to use and configurate multiple mixer screens, which shows you only the kind of tracks you want instead of fiddling arround with rearranging some channelstrips in the environment. Not to mention that you cannot see midichannelstrips at all in the environment mixer.