Pretty stupid comment from Propellerhead stuff memeber on FL

[graincloud]

this is all bullshit

sometimes i hope that everybody on earth will really understand that only the result counts whatever the tool

that kinda braodminded wankers cant stop themselves talking about approximate technical concepts mainly because they r frustrated artists unable to produce a decent song, or just people paid to say bullshit for marketing purpose

No bad tool or app if you r able to use it properly
There r wicked albums made on every host possible, or using several host, mixing soft and hardware, whatever...
i mean wasnt the 303 considered as crap years ago ?

can't wait to c someone posting an FFT analisys to prove his stupid point

that's when music is just reduced to technical shit that it sucks the most, whatever pro sounding the track is

[Vonbrucken]

I have always seen REASON as a host --

Would you then consider Reaktor to be a host as well? What exactly does Reason host?

hum Reason hosts crap

[laputa_sync]

i mean wasnt the 303 considered as crap years ago ?

303 is the worst host ever, and it was coded in Ada.

[John Vulich]

graincloud wrote:"that kinda braodminded wankers cant stop themselves talking
about approximate technical concepts mainly because they r
frustrated artists unable to produce a decent song, or just people
paid to say bullshit for marketing purpose"

[laputa_sync]

bullshit! (i was paid for marketing purposes)

[graincloud]

vulich : lol
this the proof u can have awesome results with very simple devices
do u have an fft analysis of this horse , cause i'm sure it sounds like chips compared to the formula1 model

[Vonbrucken]

everyone else who writes real applications uses C++.

we need a war !!

[tomg]

I just posted this on another forum.

"FLS is imo the worst VST host out there. I test vsts using chainer. You'd think that FLS would at least be as compatable as a simple 5 year old host program but it's not."

If I was a FLS user I'd be pissed and loud until IL at least made it as compatable as Chainer. It's been going on so long I get the feeling they can't or don't know how to fix it. Live is the next offender not as bad a FLS yet but it's getting there.

All of the FLS users say "Your VST crashes FLS when are you going to fix it?" when they should be yelling at IL to fix their f**king premier product.

[Cryogenic]

IMO it is so lame i can not believe it. Came from well know prop. guy called "blank". copy paste from board:

: Will propellerhead announce a new product this coming NAMM show ? I hope it's not a only a Refill...LOL I hope a Reason Upgrade.. coz Its competitor FL studio is already on it's 7th version...

Reason's so-called "competitor" FruityLoops is developed only for the Windows platform, and written in Borland Delphi (therefore impossible to port to Mac). In Delphi you can write stuff very quickly and effortlessly. Props, Ableton, Steinberg and everyone else who writes real applications uses C++. Also, FruityLoops has been around since 1997, and Reason since 2001, so no wonder FL is on a higher version number.

So when you say Props should be on version 7 because FL is, it's like saying I should be able to manufacture 12-year old single malt whiskey instantaneously, because you can open a bottle of Coke in only 5 seconds.




I mean wtf? Is this answer. Did you notice "Props, Ableton, Steinberg and everyone else who writes real applications uses C++" elitistic shit. Funny is how company wich claims that is not "me to" company put it self in "me to" bandwagon with all others. And what this does mean? If you create app in Delphi then your app can not be considered like "real". So what is real?

Realy stupid...

Ha ha. You're really reaching here.
What a moron you are.

[Vonbrucken]

I just posted this on another forum.

"FLS is imo the worst VST host out there. I test vsts using chainer. You'd think that FLS would at least be as compatable as a simple 5 year old host program but it's not."

If I was a FLS user I'd be pissed and loud until IL at least made it as compatable as Chainer. It's been going on so long I get the feeling they can't or don't know how to fix it. Live is the next offender not as bad a FLS yet but it's getting there.

All of the FLS users say "Your VST crashes FLS when are you going to fix it?" when they should be yelling at IL to fix their f**king premier product.

i just tested once your EFM Style Micro Modular and my main hosts are fl studio and Podium and have never had a problem with it , so i really don't get your point

[John Vulich]

Live is the next offender not as bad a FLS yet but it's getting there.

With Live 6, I haven't noticed any problems with any VSTis yet.

[aMUSEd]

Props, Ableton, Steinberg and everyone else who writes real applications uses C++. Also, FruityLoops has been around since 1997, and Reason since 2001, so no wonder FL is on a higher version number.

So when you say Props should be on version 7 because FL is, it's like saying I should be able to manufacture 12-year old single malt whiskey instantaneously, because you can open a bottle of Coke in only 5 seconds.




I mean wtf? Is this answer. Did you notice "Props, Ableton, Steinberg and everyone else who writes real applications uses C++" elitistic shit. Funny is how company wich claims that is not "me to" company put it self in "me to" bandwagon with all others. And what this does mean? If you create app in Delphi then your app can not be considered like "real". So what is real?

Maybe this has already been mentioned but note the wording. If he meant to say FL isn't a real app he wouldn't have said "everyone else who writes real apps", he would have said "everyone who writes real apps". A small difference in wording, a crucial difference in meaning - from such misunderstandings whole wars can emerge

[tomg]

I just posted this on another forum.

"FLS is imo the worst VST host out there. I test vsts using chainer. You'd think that FLS would at least be as compatable as a simple 5 year old host program but it's not."

If I was a FLS user I'd be pissed and loud until IL at least made it as compatable as Chainer. It's been going on so long I get the feeling they can't or don't know how to fix it. Live is the next offender not as bad a FLS yet but it's getting there.

All of the FLS users say "Your VST crashes FLS when are you going to fix it?" when they should be yelling at IL to fix their f**king premier product.

i just tested once your EFM Style Micro Modular and my main hosts are fl studio and Podium and have never had a problem with it , so i really don't get your point

Not all of them are problems. FLS never had a problem with the MicroModular. Most recently Drumkit2 v0.7 crashed FLS and Live but worked fine in Chainer. I had to change Drumkit2 to make FLS happy.

Next time a VST crashes FLS or grab one that you know crashes FLS, DL the Chainer demo and see if it runs ok. If it does the problem is not the VST it's FLS.

As a developer it's a PITA to have your VST running fine on all other hosts but you have to modify it so that it doesn't crash FLS.

[coreydavid]

H.E.P!!! of course its so simple

in the end it doesnt matter what you compile in, you better be using H.E.P for that analog warmth and characteraer...

Isn't Babya written in C##? Can you comment on that? And I heard that Ableton and Props are coming together to compete against Bayba. Is that true?

[ctmg]

I just posted this on another forum.

"FLS is imo the worst VST host out there. I test vsts using chainer. You'd think that FLS would at least be as compatable as a simple 5 year old host program but it's not."

If I was a FLS user I'd be pissed and loud until IL at least made it as compatable as Chainer. It's been going on so long I get the feeling they can't or don't know how to fix it. Live is the next offender not as bad a FLS yet but it's getting there.

All of the FLS users say "Your VST crashes FLS when are you going to fix it?" when they should be yelling at IL to fix their f**king premier product.

Do you know how the VST SDK works? As in internally? As in, you've actually gotten into the nitty gritty C++ and worked with it? If not, you have exactly 0 right outside of raw freedom of speech to say anything like that.

FL does plenty of things to make more VSTs work with it, and its also good at fixing certain problems (there was a minor version update that broke a few plugs, and that was fixed within 2 days). Most of the time its either the plugin breaking VST spec or some ambiguity in the VST SDK (and theres plenty) which FL and the Plugin interpreted differetnly.