Yet another budget guitar option

[Ian B]

Hi Hanglow,
I d/l a few of the Seymour Duncan wiring pdf's earler, inc the one you linked to. I don't know if this will make any difference or not, but the push pull I bought was recommended for tone pot use. The coil tap in the SD schematic is on the volume pot isn't it?

My idea was to just have the neck pup coil tapped, but thinking about it, as they are 6K neck and 10K middle, having both Lil Killers tapped makes more sense (but not enough for me to know how to set about doing it ) There's no desperate rush to get it done, if I take my time I'm more likely to do it right first time (he said hopefully) The GFS wiring diagrams leave a lot to be desired imo, they're basic at best.

No it won't make any difference, the switch part is independent of the pot. So if you were to change that diagram, all you have to do is transfer the switch part (the block of six pins with the red and white wires attached) to the tone pot. It won't affect any other wiring.

Thanks Hanglow,
I'll have a closer look tomorrow.
I've just taken the old pups off and mounted the GFS's (purely to check for fit, they look fantastic btw ) so if I want to play this guitar anytime soon now, I'm either gonna have to get brave with my soldering iron and shaky hands, or take it down to my local guitar shop asap.

It should be easy enough to work out from that diagram what goes where. Just view each pup independently- start with the neck pickup and wire that one up first. I've had a look at another couple of wiring diagrams but they aren't any clearer for what you have in mind.

Viewing them independently is easy, knowing 'excatly' what I'm viewing is the difficult bit

[Hanglow]

Just make sure you have a decent stand for that soldering iron. I didn't, iron slipped off table and I thought it would be best to catch it before it landed on my carpet....owwww!

at least the carpet didn't get burnt.

[Ian B]

Just make sure you have a decent stand for that soldering iron. I didn't, iron slipped off table and I thought it would be best to catch it before it landed on my carpet....owwww!

at least the carpet didn't get burnt.

I've got a stand, and the soldering iron will sit quite happily on it when cold, but for some reason when hot, it refuses to stay there. When practising with it, I spent more time doing your trick, catching it mid air, than soldering

[Ian B]

Now I'm extra baffled (which isn't hard tbh )

The Bigmouth Humbucker has 5 leads ground/green/white/red/black but the Lil Killers have 4 leads ground/white/red/green, so this SD diagram http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/sc ... hpull.html doesn't really help much.

I know in 'normal' humbucker wiring, the red/white would be soldered/taped together, green go to the 5 way selector and bare go to ground, but how do I even begin wiring these pups using a coil tap?

I'll probably start a new thread for clarities sake

[Hanglow]

It might be best to email jay at GFS then - he does respond quite quickly.

I imagine two of the wires will be attached internally, or you may have to strip back the outer insulation to find the fifth

[Ian B]

It might be best to email jay at GFS then - he does respond quite quickly.

Good call, just dropped him a line asking for help

I imagine two of the wires will be attached internally, or you may have to strip back the outer insulation to find the fifth

I'm almost certain I've read this somewhere, can't find where tho'

[Ian B]

It might be best to email jay at GFS then - he does respond quite quickly.

Good call, just dropped him a line asking for help

Well feck me, I wasn't expecting a reply till tomorrow, but Jay's just replied The downside is, he couldn't help, he doesn't have, or know of, a specific wiring diagram for what I'm wanting to do. Looks like it'll be a regular humbucker setup then. Time to get looking at those SD schematics again for a 3 humbucker setup..............and a new thread asking for help

[Markleford]

Anyone find a US distributor for this guitar?

Ian, what's the exact model number on it? The J&D site isn't being helpful for visual browsing...

- m

[Ian B]

Anyone find a US distributor for this guitar?

Ian, what's the exact model number on it? The J&D site isn't being helpful for visual browsing...

- m

Hi Markleford,

It's a J&D S890, look under J&D series/8xx series.

It get's even more confusing when you actually see the guitar, there's no mention of J&D, nor the model number, in fact, according to the headstock, it's a RMS guitar

[Ian B]

After deciding to try and fit these pups myself this morning, and after a few hours fecking about, the result was I failed abysmally. My burgeoning career as a pup specialist died not long after birth, so I hereby announce my retirement

Time to let the 'pro's' do it for me, before I ruin these pups and pots completely

Thankfully, none of my guitars for sale have been sold yet, so I'll at least have something to play over Easter.

[Hanglow]

Ah well, at least you tried. Now you will have a reference point for any future gfs coil tapping shenanigans.

[Ian B]

Ah well, at least you tried. Now you will have a reference point for any future gfs coil tapping shenanigans.

I was a veritable spider in my efforts but I had to give up in the end What really pissed me off was I got the neck Lil Killer working straight away but the middle Lil Killer just wouldn;t have it, and I don't know why I was expecting, and found, problems with the Bigmouth bridge, but I would have persevered if both the Lil Killers had worked.

A big fat definite no to any more coil tapping attempts from me in future.

[Ian B]

I finally admitted defeat and took it down to my local music/guitar shop yesterday to have these pups fitted It'll be a tad expensive, but I know from previous guitars of mine he's worked on that the guy does a good job The downside is, it'll be about a week before I get it back

'EDIT'

While I'm here, has anyone ever heard of/tried a Oldfield brand guitar? They had a few in stock at Dawsons, and I thought one was familiar, Oldfield Duke 10T Gold and it's pretty much identical to a gold finish Harley Benton Duke 100. I'd go as far as to say they're the same guitar under different names.

[Hanglow]

Is that the PRS style one? Looks quite good on thommann. one of many cheap guitars my mouse pointer hovered over "buy now" for a number of moments before I held back...

it looks quite good for the money, having named parts, even if budget ones, rather than just generic ones.

still, a tele is next for me I think

[Ian B]

Is that the PRS style one? Looks quite good on thommann. one of many cheap guitars my mouse pointer hovered over "buy now" for a number of moments before I held back...

it looks quite good for the money, having named parts, even if budget ones, rather than just generic ones.

still, a tele is next for me I think

Yeah, that's the one. The pic at Thomann looks great, but if the Oldfield I saw is the same guitar, it looks even better in real life. IIRC, Dawsons were only asking £129, which is the pretty much same as Thomann, if you inc the delivery charge.

'EDIT'

I got a flyer from Thomann when they first started stocking the Harley Benton Duke, and if IIRC, it has a bizarre hybrid set/bolt on neck. I think I'm right in saying it only uses 2 bolts, tho' what the thinking behind this setup is, is beyond me I wish now I'd had a look at the Oldfield Duke to check.