Acoustic guitar modeler VST First screenshot

[Watto]

Hey Tormod,

That's an acoustic?? Doesn't sound like one

By bends (I'm not a guitarist) I meant the vibrato, or slight bending of the strings back and forth. It made the first sample sound like an electric guitar performance to my ears

[Hovmod]

Hey Tormod,

That's an acoustic?? Doesn't sound like one

But the hissy treble-fest that Rene posted does?
Yes, it's an acoustic. A Martin, to be exact.

[Watto]

Hey Tormod,

That's an acoustic?? Doesn't sound like one

But the hissy treble-fest that Rene posted does?

Actually, if you read my first post again...

Yes, it's an acoustic. A Martin, to be exact.

A steel string? Sounds very mellow.

[Midiworks]

It's the first take, so there are oodles of mistakes, just like in the first one - it is a casual improv, after all. And Rene, I wasn't aware that you were going to post this in public. I'd have appreciated a request, which I'd probably have refused. I like to hide my mistakes, not highlight them... But now that it's out there, I would appreciate if this discussion got back on the electric/acoustic/VST trail...

Sorry, it was a nice take and I didnt reveal your ID...
It has a nice feel thats what counted for me.
The hiss will be gone, no big deal.

That new file really doesnt sound like an acoustic...
Its the pickup you use,
mixed with a mic it should sound great.

[Hovmod]

I'm playing it very mellow, and like I said with finger tips not bred and nurtured for finger-picking and on the low strings.
I assure you it sounds brighter and bigger when I strum all strings with a soft pick. It's got quite a range.
The important thing is that I played the two pieces with pretty much the same attack and technique, which should make it easy to compare. If I played soft and muffled and mellow on the Martin, I did so on the electric as well. Rene probably didn't know this, and tried to squeeze a bright, high something out of it that was never there. Which by the way if you try to squeeze the highs out of that fist dry electric take you ARE likely get a lot of hiss, but if I'd played the high strings and tried to make it brighter in the first place, it wouldn't have been noisy at all. It's not inherent in the recording, it's a result of trying to find something that isn't there, and ending up with a massively amplified noise floor. Or something.
It sounds like he's trying to reach one of those acoustics that the metal players like, with hot internal pickups and hot amps set to max. The kind of stuff that sticks out against a wall of Triple Rectifiers...

[Hovmod]

Sorry, it was a nice take and I didnt reveal your ID...
It has a nice feel thats what counted for me.

I know, I unveiled that. I still would have liked to be asked.

Doesn't sound like an acoustic?
That's what an actual acoustic guitar sounded like when I actually played it this morning. Doesn't get much more acoustic...

[Midiworks]

I'm playing it very mellow, and like I said with finger tips not bred and nurtured for finger-picking and on the low strings.
I assure you it sounds brighter and bigger when I strum all strings with a soft pick. It's got quite a range.
The important thing is that I played the two pieces with pretty much the same attack and technique, which should make it easy to compare. If I played soft and muffled and mellow on the Martin, I did so on the electric as well. Rene probably didn't know this, and tried to squeeze a bright, high something out of it that was never there.

Sure, I can hear the way you played.
I simply made the beauty visible.

Which by the way if you try to squeeze the highs out of that fist dry electric take you ARE likely get a lot of hiss, but if I'd played the high strings and tried to make it brighter in the first place, it wouldn't have been noisy at all.

and the feel would have been very different.

It sounds like he's trying to reach one of those acoustics that the metal players like, with hot internal pickups and hot amps set to max. The kind of stuff that sticks out against a wall of Triple Rectifiers...

Absolutly not.

But lets not forget that the source was a electric guitars bridge humbucker.

On the VST will be a tone control anyway.

[Midiworks]

Doesn't sound like an acoustic?
That's what an actual acoustic guitar sounded like when I actually played it this morning. Doesn't get much more acoustic...

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[djsubject]

Why this sounds so noisy ? There's so much hiss in the high frequencies

Strange, your the 2nd one who said this...
I have no hiss at all here,
anyone else ?

its a joke yea?

or your not talking about the MP3 you posted?

i'm sure you can hear the HISSS!! that cames in for the 2'nd half of the file!

Subz

[Zargon the Destroyer]

I can't be arsed to read the whole thread, but for quick and dirty, wouldn't it be simple to just make a impulse file of an acoustic's 'box' and use convolution?

Or just buy an acoustic?

I mean you can get a brilliantly constructed Chinese Martin knock-off for a couple of hundred quid...

The MP3s of this sounds terrible by the way. The original DIed electric was a nicer, more usable sound.

[Midiworks]

Why this sounds so noisy ? There's so much hiss in the high frequencies

Strange, your the 2nd one who said this...
I have no hiss at all here,
anyone else ?

its a joke yea?

or your not talking about the MP3 you posted?

i'm sure you can hear the HISSS!! that cames in for the 2'nd half of the file!

Subz

It was 4-5am
at low level played
my wife sleeping 10feet behind me.

I wrote that I will check later.

I can't be arsed to read the whole thread, but for quick and dirty, wouldn't it be simple to just make a impulse file of an acoustic's 'box' and use convolution?

I thought so first too, trying with our sim
but somehow that sounded strange and wrong,
no idea why...


Anyway the idea is not to replace an real acoustic,
but in a mix it will do the trick.

[djsubject]

It was 4-5am
at low level played
my wife sleeping 10feet behind me.

I wrote that I will check later.

i thought i edited that post after reading the rest of the thread

ether i did & KvR barfed it or this bag of weed it goood

anyway, i am impressed by the sound!!

don't know who you upset before with this amp thing but screw them,

your time your work do as you wish with them

Subz

[ccosta]

Very nice for a first demo. The potencial is there.

It will replace a real acoustic ? Does a amp-sim replace a real amp ?

In the right context yes.

[Hink]

a gate at the beginning of the chain might be a good idea for the vst, I'm sure he could add a gate in his sleep

Yes, but I dont like gates for a problem like this.
Jens made a sugestion that might work,
but right after the input.

would it be a fixed shelf or variable? I'm not really a fan of gates either and the more I think about it a gate is not going to do much to fix this hiss. But imo part of the tone for an acoustic will be in the same frequency range as the hiss. The acoustic needs a certain 'airy' sound that's going to be in the higher frequencies. I was just messing with the hissy sample through AA and when I eq'ed out the hiss it sounded rather dull (but of course that's not right after the input), when I previewed it using hiss reduction (which AA is pretty good at) I got similar results. Bear in mind I did these tests on my laptop and not at my DAW.

[Midiworks]

Yes, I expirienced the same.
I am working on it atm.