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[beergeek]

I'm not really interested in the drum stuff especially after getting Drumcore but if this drops to the lowest price I might sign up just to get CSR which I want to have...I can sell my existing T-racks licence later on I suppose..

Ok....BUT picture this if you will

You're working on a tune in your home studio it has a [beatlesque | motownish | zeplin-like] beat but you just can't seem to nail the groove and/or the sound. There's a knock at the door ....

In walks [Ringo | Benny Benjamin | Bonham] with vintage kits, high-end mics and an [EMI | Hitsville ] console and says, "I'll lay down some tracks for you."

After the session, you have professionally recorded multi-track masters of some fabulous drumming.

They offer the masters to you and you say....

"No thanks..."

I think not

I know, I seem a bit over the top on these multi-track drum loops. I just want people to fully understand what they are and what you can do with them before they say "No thanks..."

The only reason I'm not in the GB yet is that I'm waiting on the 3 pack bundle that will count towards the GB numbers. I already own the plugs...

[beergeek]

BTW, if you want to see what these are....esoundz has put a few of these up on the site under free soundz...

http://www.esoundz.com/freesoundz.php

Play with the slices in something like energyXT2...you will see how the slices line up and how you can move around slices... all the slices from a loop or just the snare slices and have the slices still line up

This is some seriously cool stuff...

I haven't had time for a demo but since you can grab these and play with them yourself, it's probably a moot point

[bogh]

Can anyone confirm that you can in fact resell/transfer the T-Racks and CSR licenses legally and without a fee?
I already have both, but I would like the drums.

Edit:
New page deserves a convenient sign up link:
http://esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=2034

And please refer bogh at check out. Thanks!

[beergeek]

Ok...quick and dirty...

Here's one of the motown loops from the FREE download. I didn't load all the parts, just 1 of the 3 kick mics, the snare top mic, 1 of the 2 percussion mics and hi-hat mic...was 90bpm now 120 bpm.

http://rlewin.com/Demos/original.wav

Now, here's with a slight re-arrangement of the slices...

http://rlewin.com/Demos/rearranged.wav

Similar feel but different emphasis...pretty cool I think..btw, I moved the same slices on the hats and the snare but different slices on the perc and kick

I think it also shows that you can get a wide range of bpm from the loops...

[lotus2035]

I'm not really interested in the drum stuff especially after getting Drumcore but if this drops to the lowest price I might sign up just to get CSR which I want to have...I can sell my existing T-racks licence later on I suppose..

Ok....BUT picture this if you will

You're working on a tune in your home studio it has a [beatlesque | motownish | zeplin-like] beat but you just can't seem to nail the groove and/or the sound. There's a knock at the door ....

In walks [Ringo | Benny Benjamin | Bonham] with vintage kits, high-end mics and an [EMI | Hitsville ] console and says, "I'll lay down some tracks for you."

After the session, you have professionally recorded multi-track masters of some fabulous drumming.

They offer the masters to you and you say....

"No thanks..."

I think not

I know, I seem a bit over the top on these multi-track drum loops. I just want people to fully understand what they are and what you can do with them before they say "No thanks..."

The only reason I'm not in the GB yet is that I'm waiting on the 3 pack bundle that will count towards the GB numbers. I already own the plugs...

Yeah, I'm sure they will surprise me and become very useful...I'm just too lazy to look into it at the moment..

[zai]

Can anyone confirm that you can in fact resell/transfer the T-Racks and CSR licenses legally and without a fee?
I already have both, but I would like the drums.

Edit:
New page deserves a convenient sign up link:
http://esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=2034

And please refer bogh at check out. Thanks!

I believe, if it's not registered, that you can sell your licenses without a fee. I'm in the same boat as well...I have T-Racks and CSR but am interested in the loops. Can never have too many loops!

Zai

[beergeek]

27! Come on...jump on it We need a whole lotta love... We'll get by with a little help from our friends...We're standing in the shadows of motown

[harmony gardens]

Debbie Downer is at it again,,, lol.

No GB is a good deal for anyone who isn't interested in what is being offered, but these loops are Sonik Reality's high end loops. It offers you much more total control of your mix, and much more detail than you could possibly have with stereo loops. You could say that there is a downside to using loops like this,,, they require more harddrive space, and require the extra step of mixing, but if you want the extra fine control over them like you would have in a pro drum track, these are so worth the trade off.

Let's break this deal down and look at the value here. We'll assume for this illustration, that it hits the lowest price, because we only need to get 150 to sign up, which should be easy. Divide the (approx.) price of $240 in half. $120 for the three loop sets, and $120 for the effects. This means your getting CSR and T Racks for $60 each, and the loop sets at a better than three for one deal. ($40 each) Broken down that way, you can see that this is an amazing deal!!

Convenient sign up link http://esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=2034

Please refer harmonygardens

[Squids]

Can anyone confirm that you can in fact resell/transfer the T-Racks and CSR licenses legally and without a fee?
I already have both, but I would like the drums.

Edit:
New page deserves a convenient sign up link:
http://esoundz.com/details.php?ProductID=2034

And please refer bogh at check out. Thanks!

I believe, if it's not registered, that you can sell your licenses without a fee. I'm in the same boat as well...I have T-Racks and CSR but am interested in the loops. Can never have too many loops!

Zai

We'll be making the loops available separately for less. $199 instead of $239. It will be a bundle available this week AND you can download them this week too (no need to wait). Or you can buy them individually by tomorrow for even less (individually with your discount it could be between $100-149 each).

[Squids]

27! Come on...jump on it We need a whole lotta love... We'll get by with a little help from our friends...We're standing in the shadows of motown

Haha. Everybody let's Come Together and join!!!!

Oh by the way, we added in a bunch of extra loops of later Beatles era stuff. It's not the exact dampened drum sound though which I did in a later session (RingBeats Vol. 2) where I picked up a bunch of things from Ken Scott (who recorded them originally) but they're still really good and nice to have... well, I think we included some in the freebies on line now. That Tears for Fears... er um I mean Come Together loop is in the package. Cool beat! Tomorrow Never Knows... all kinds of stuff. I'll make that list when I get a chance. I'm going to Nashville for NAMM Friday. I worked on a video for this GB yesterday but it came out too dark. I have to get some better lighting so we can roll out these videos ourselves in abundance. Sonic Reality TV!

[Squids]

So you can see by this video that these have taken over 2 years to do... check out this video from the NAMM show in 2006. I'm showing Studio ProFiles multitrack grooves about half-way through this long video demonstration. Although you can also hear the Infinite Drum Kits many of which will end up being Studio ProFiles drum kits (the kits that go with the sessions) and the rest will be downloadable kits in BFD, DrumCore/KitCore, Battery etc.

Anyway, on that front we are releasing artist multitracks for download next month. Stereo Rex, AL and Wave of Jerry Marotta, Nick D'Virgilio and John Blackwell by next Monday for download as well (nice for your DrumCore set up).

Check out this video: http://www.sonicstate.com/mirror/asx/wn ... eality.asx

You can even see pictures of the sessions and hear the Bonzo Beats in action as well as the RingBeats as well as the Motown grooves. Anyway... a ton of work to do this stuff and it cost a fortune. I'd hate to see anyone take it for granted or people like us wouldn't go to the effort to bring out such cool things! Although... if I could afford to do it I'd practically just do it for myself. Most of the time the reason we go to such great lengths to get the authentic players and gear is because I too want these things so you all benefit from my insane lust for these things... and this is just the beginning. You guys haven't even seen what we've done with Ken Scott yet!

[funkychickendance]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course and hey if you don't like them then by all means don't get them. If you discourage others by blowing it off as "filler" though it will probably frustrate the people who have joined the group buy since we're all trying to get the group INTERESTED (not the opposite) so that everyone will get the chance to get it for cheaper! You're working against that with the negativity. If that's just something you enjoy doing then... what can I say?

So you want people to join or not? I know the people that have joined or are thinking about joining do!

Nice reply. I'm probably on board, but not until I've figured out my June-July cashflow. There's no doubt that it's a good value-for-money deal, and you've done a lot to clarify why we'd want the loops, why they'd add to our musical horizons, etc.

As you say, real beats MIDI as you start to tidy up a song. Any kind of thrashing and bashing will do until that point... and this buy is all about that elusive idea of 'finished product,' I'm realizing.

//fnx

[zedd]

And also, when you actually hear the different multi-track signals you will understand better the significance of these loops. The signals going into each mic provide completely different drums tones. You don't even have to dick around with mixing multi-tracks, because in many cases the loop of a particular overhead or room mic is EXACTLY what you want in your recording, without the need to include the other multi-track parts.

These are like having numerous delicious variations of the same loop which you can mix and match between in order to get amazing sounding tracks.

Anyway, on that front we are releasing artist multitracks for download next month. Stereo Rex, AL and Wave of Jerry Marotta, Nick D'Virgilio and John Blackwell by next Monday for download as well (nice for your DrumCore set up).

Hey Squids, is it possible to make these multi-track packs available in DrumCore format (including these RingTones, Bonzo and Motown)? I want them housed in DrumCore, and it takes so long to import them manually, since the only way to keep all the multi-track content (for each individual groove) together is to import its folder separately and give it a unique GrooveSet name. If you could make them available so that each groove shows up as a separate set, within a master drummer folder (e.g. RingBeats Vol. 1), then that would be really helpful.

Since I am likely going to end up doing that myself anyway (if you don't this)... I would be happy to actually do the work for you in exchange for some ePointz or something. But you would have to give me the tools or info I would need to make this content available for the DrumCore format.

...next week I'm going to attempt to nail the whole mono Ringo groove thing with old Telefunken D19s and a 4038 Ribbon all going through old EMI tube pres with another 60's Ludwig just for the pure LOVE of it... possibly for RingBeats Vol. 2 but I may just decide to keep it for myself!

Oh my gosh! You'd better not keep 'em to yourself. I want those loops RIGHT NOW!!!

...and this is just the beginning. You guys haven't even seen what we've done with Ken Scott yet!

Gotta hand it to you Squids. You are definitely providing some fantastic content. I am dreaming of this stuff... and have been for years.

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[Squids]

Gotta hand it to you Squids. You are definitely providing some fantastic content. I am dreaming of this stuff... and have been for years.

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Well, that's good to hear. Me too! Hey, I'd be just as happy to buy these kinds of things myself. I have the Abbey Road refill and Fab Four just in case there might be something (surely there would be) that I'd love to have around for inspiration as a musician myself. But, I find that if there's something I'm really looking for I get even better results doing it myself... except that what comes with that is often major effort trying to get all of the elements to come together (no pun intended). For instance, it was tough enough finding a good authentic Ringo kit! So that's what we did in the first session that these grooves are from. But, then after thoroughly reading my friend Brian Kehew's awesome book Recording The Beatles and working with Ken Scott asking a million questions during the sessions recreating the authentic drum session loops of classic David Bowie, Supertramp, Mahavishnu, Dixie Dregs etc. WITH the original drummer themselves, Ken who recorded and produced those albums and even the same gear (Trident A Range boards which are hard to come by)... I've been after other elements of the sound besides the playing and the kit.

There's a variety of odd tuning and muffling things going on... for instance, in a lot of Beatles recordings they used that famous Beatles sweater with 4 heads (the one they all wore together) inside the kick drum with the head off. So even though we see that "Beatles" head so often and earlier tracks were recorded with both heads on, a lot of tracks were recorded with the head off and this sweater inside (the key is to have a sweater with 4 heads... just kidding!). Anyway, they also put tape and various foam pieces all over the kit... some of these are secrets that will be told in more detail in Ken Scott's book which I am helping write. In fact, we're going over to England in July to do interviews and visit his old stomping grounds. Can't wait. Really educational on what it was like in the studio back then. Pretty incredible. Plus he's such a great guy. Humble and full of energy like a kid even still. You'll see when we release the first real video clips starting some time this summer on recordproduction.com and on studioprofiles.com That whole Ken Scott Collection should be ready toward the end of the year. Nothing like it. Comes with a big excerpt from the book too!

Anyway... regarding DrumCore, if someone did want to do that work for epointz we'd consider that. We weren't planning on doing multitrack grooves in DrumCore normally. We are planning on mapping them in Kontakt though and they reference the rexes so when we have that done we'll give anyone who joins this group buy those NKI files for free. Not bad! It's a fair amount of work you wouldn't have to do if you use Kontakt. Again, if anyone wanted to map the rexes in other sampler formats in trade for epointz it's not a bad idea... things we wouldn't normally do but others might like. We'd give them away as added value bonuses to your rex, apple loops and wave files. Session templates for DAWS are another idea too, especially if they're set up with effects... one could go on and on! But why not? All depends. But there's definitely a lot of things you can do with these loops.

[NTR]

Actually, multi track rex loops have been done before. Remember VST Drum Sessions? Done by Wizoo/Steinberg. They also had matching midi files right along side, and could be loaded up in cubase as song files. Ya know, I bought them years ago, and they have since collected dust on the shelf. They are quite good though. I was a bit of a novice computer guy when I bought these so I sound them a little complex for my style. However, I think I may just have to revisit those discs.

By the way, I already have enough loops and Tracks, but I may be interested in a good deal on CSR, if any of you guys are looking to get rid of it? Gotta check the bank. These GB's are awsome, but they start to get hard on the wallet after a while. Just scored the IK Workstation for 299 canadian. woo hoo. ahh but that one wasnt a GB.