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states · Post by **states** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:14 pm

beautiful work on the PPG emu's Ingonator! thank you so much !

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:38 pm

Something about Largos (=Blofelds) wavetables and the corresponding synths:

1.) wavetables "Alt 1" + "Alt 2" : Waldorf Q + Micro Q

2.) wavetables "Resonant" up to "MicroPWM" (+ Upper Waves") : PPG Wave 2.2 / Microwave / Microwave XT

3.) wavetables "Resonant" up to "Chorus 2" : Waldorf Wave / Microwave II + XT

link for Waldorf Wave : http://www.unofficial.waldorf-wave.de/

All wavetables under "Wave-tables" (click on the link on the left side). Click on the wavetables to see a bigger version with the wavetable name.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:27 pm

About Largos copy protection:

1.) The Waldorf Largo manual includes the authorization procedure : http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/archive?r ... umentation

2.)

Megakazbek wrote:
Chuck E. Jesus wrote:uh, do you need a dongle to run the demo?

when i installed the demo, it seemed to want to install a Syncro Soft license...i tried to launch the VST in Sonar 8, and a plug in scan caused the DAW to lock up after no license was found...i have the email with the code, but never got to the point where i had to enter it...
No, you don't need a dongle, but you need Syncrosoft License Control Center. Syncrosoft != dongle, it has non-dongled protection too, which Largo uses (it can use dongle too, but it's purely optional)
You have to install LCC and then download a license into it using the code provided to you in email.

3.)

Chuck E. Jesus wrote:
Ingonator wrote: The authorization procedure is also written in the manual. And it's discussed around a thousand times in this thread...
thanks, sorry to make it around 1001...

No problem, i guess someone at Waldorf should write a manual only for the activation procedure.
BTW when the License control center (LCC) from Syncrosoft (now eLicenser: http://www.elicenser.net/en/ ) is installed (normally automatic with Largo, DON'T cancel the installation here !!) you could find a documentation in the Syncrosoft/eLicenser folder (or windows programs menu). One document is a step by step tutorial for uploading licenses. Even if it's written in the tutorial you don't need a dongle (but it works better with IMHO)!! You need an internet connection while you authorize via the LCC.

When your LCC doesn't work, download and install the one from the eLicenser homepage. One time the LCC which was installed with a synth didn't work in my case so i installed it seperately.

UPDATE: link for the LCC Quick start guide (pdf): http://www.manualnguide.com/dl-share/28/
If you have no dongle a different symbol (like a computer chip) should appear as a protection device. This represents your hard disk.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:44 am

Ingonator wrote:I just found a failure in the two factory banks which i made from the single patches. That banks were published at Waldorf yesterday.

I made the banks with MiniHost using the"import filenames" function. In contrary to the "normal" Largo patches the categories were contained in the soundname. This way on some patches some strange symbols could be seen at the end.
I fixed this today and sent the files to Wolfram Franke again. In that version the categories are no longer contained in the soundname but you see it in the cstegory field of the Largo browser. The patches are still sorted by categories.

The two corrected/updated bank files (fxb) for the factory sounds are on the Waldorf page now:
http://www.waldorfmusic.de/de/archiv?re ... rgo/sounds

They no longer have the category at the beginning of the soundname but are still sorted by category which could be seen in Largos display (right part of the display).

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Jul 17, 2009 11:17 am

I have a Rapidshare account now. So my Largo banks including the factories could be downloaded there now (besides also being on the Waldorf page):

http://rapidshare.com/files/256794499/L ... t_Bank.fxb
http://rapidshare.com/files/256793844/l ... v1_1_0.fxb
http://rapidshare.com/files/256793371/l ... v1_1_0.fxb
http://rapidshare.com/files/256792322/I ... s_v1.1.fxb

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:42 pm

Based on my own Sylenth1 synth brass bank ( http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=dl&id=731 or in the v2.2 factory sounds) i started to program some synth brass patches on Largo.
A bank file with the new patches and some from the older bank:
http://rapidshare.com/files/258363393/I ... s_v1.1.fxb

The second patch only uses ONE oscillator but by using 2 voices unison it's really fat. I used the same trick in Sylenth1. I also added a small amount of the Sub-OSC. On the last two patches you can use the Modwheel for Cutoff modulation.
After some PPG and "hypersaw" patches i wanted to program some basic analog patches to show how versatile Largo is.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:14 pm

I just started to add some Synth Strings to the Analog bank. 3 are already finished. Next time i will only publish the bank file since the amount of patches is too large now.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:24 am

I added 11 Synth strings patches (inspired by Arturia Jupiter 8V) to my Analog patches bank: http://rapidshare.com/files/258649631/I ... s_v1.2.fxb

Next project will be some lead sounds and/or pads.

Chris@MixDSP · Post by **Chris@MixDSP** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:39 am

Some great patches here, thanks for sharing!

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:57 am

Chris@MixDSP wrote:Some great patches here, thanks for sharing!

Thanks, i have the feeling that Largo has a very high potential. After doing the PPG wavetable patches i focus on some "bread and butter" sounds now. The more complex patches can follow after that.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:23 am

Besides the Rapidshare link (look above) I added the latest version of the Analog patches bank to the KVR database: http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=lis ... order=date

An update with more patches will follow.

Vectorman · Post by **Vectorman** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:57 pm

I've been messing with trying to approximate a a handful of PPG-style patches I have in my Microwave I with Largo this morning, with very mixed results. I think a big part of the problem is that Largo's wavetable oscillators are too "clean" for some of that kind of thing, lacking the transposition artifacts that gave the PPG and MWI part of their sound, especially in the lower registers.

I was able to get a decent version of the classic metallic Clipper wavetable PPG bass. Just bringing up the Clipper wavetable doesn't do it - it gets completely muffled in the bass range (as Largo's wavetables often do, lacking the transposition side effects that put higher frequencies on top of bass notes in the older hardware instruments). Using some inter-oscillator FM gave it back some bite. That buzzy, throaty PPG bass sound that uses the E Piano wavetable which I've always referred to as "Dragon Breath" on the other hand, I couldn't get close to at all.

IMO, it would be a great option to be able to have a "quality" setting on the wavetable oscillators, so they could be switched to a low-fi, PPG/MWI sound on a per-layer or per-oscillator basis. That and a proper Microwave-style wave envelope would be fairly cool additions.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:17 pm

Vectorman wrote:I've been messing with trying to approximate a a handful of PPG-style patches I have in my Microwave I with Largo this morning, with very mixed results. I think a big part of the problem is that Largo's wavetable oscillators are too "clean" for some of that kind of thing, lacking the transposition artifacts that gave the PPG and MWI part of their sound, especially in the lower registers.

I was able to get a decent version of the classic metallic Clipper wavetable PPG bass. Just bringing up the Clipper wavetable doesn't do it - it gets completely muffled in the bass range (as Largo's wavetables often do, lacking the transposition side effects that put higher frequencies on top of bass notes in the older hardware instruments). Using some inter-oscillator FM gave it back some bite. That buzzy, throaty PPG bass sound that uses the E Piano wavetable which I've always referred to as "Dragon Breath" on the other hand, I couldn't get close to at all.

IMO, it would be a great option to be able to have a "quality" setting on the wavetable oscillators, so they could be switched to a low-fi, PPG/MWI sound on a per-layer or per-oscillator basis. That and a proper Microwave-style wave envelope would be fairly cool additions.

I agree, a "quality" setting would be nice since it's also implemented in the Blofeld. In fact the features missing from the Blofeld are quality setting, the PPG filter and sample memory.

I found some ways for making the sound fatter:
1.) using unison, 2 voices should be enough
2.) using Bass Boost (in the filter section)
3.) using Filter Drive (best are Tube and Pickup 1+2 IMO). For metallic sounds "Pickup 2" has the best effect IMO.
4.) using the EQ
5.) using high resonance in the filter also gives nice effects sometimes

I also found that the amount of modulation for the Waves has to be quite high for an audible wavetable sweep, at least around 32-40.

I must admit that i was not able to reproduce some patches of the Waldorf PPG Wave 2.V on which most of the patches from my Largo PPG bank are based. Could be due to the wavetables and/or the filter (so far no proper PPG filter on Largo). When scanning the wavetable you must remember that Largo has 128 steps opposing to the Microwave (64 steps) but i guess you did this right.

BTW: Did you also try my new analog patches?

UPDATE: I tried to make three bass patches using the Clipper wavetable:
http://rapidshare.com/files/260346690/P ... 01__IW.fxp
http://rapidshare.com/files/260346868/P ... 02__IW.fxp
http://rapidshare.com/files/260351300/P ... 03__IW.fxp

The first patch uses Bass Boost and Filter Drive (Pickup 2), the second Bass Boost, Filter Drive (Pickup 2) and the Overdrive effect. The last one is like the second with a shorter filter decay.

Vectorman · Post by **Vectorman** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:52 am

BTW: Did you also try my new analog patches?

Yes, tried those today - nice job! I'll check out your Clipper bass patches tomorrow (recording equipment is already shut down for the day).

I went off on a tangent this evening and was trying to emulate some of the PPG (or rather Microwave I) patches in u-he Zebra instead. I've had the PPG wavetables in Zebra for a long time, but hadn't ever gotten around to trying to create very many PPG emulations with them.

Surprisingly enough, I was able to get closer approximations of the Microwave sounds with Zebra than with Largo. For some reason, the wavetables I messed with (like Clipper) don't get nearly as muffled in the bass regions in Zebra as they do in Largo...in Zebra, those waves seem to sound more like the Microwave in the lower ranges than Largo does. I didn't have to mess with FM or filter overdrive and such to give them bite - the waves just sounded more like they should coming straight off the oscillators. The three PPG/MWI sounds I tried to mimic this evening all came out fairly decent in Zebra. I might take a stab at a few more just to see how they fare.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Jul 27, 2009 5:20 am

Vectorman wrote:
BTW: Did you also try my new analog patches?
Yes, tried those today - nice job! I'll check out your Clipper bass patches tomorrow (recording equipment is already shut down for the day).

I went off on a tangent this evening and was trying to emulate some of the PPG (or rather Microwave I) patches in u-he Zebra instead. I've had the PPG wavetables in Zebra for a long time, but hadn't ever gotten around to trying to create very many PPG emulations with them.

Surprisingly enough, I was able to get closer approximations of the Microwave sounds with Zebra than with Largo. For some reason, the wavetables I messed with (like Clipper) don't get nearly as muffled in the bass regions in Zebra as they do in Largo...in Zebra, those waves seem to sound more like the Microwave in the lower ranges than Largo does. I didn't have to mess with FM or filter overdrive and such to give them bite - the waves just sounded more like they should coming straight off the oscillators. The three PPG/MWI sounds I tried to mimic this evening all came out fairly decent in Zebra. I might take a stab at a few more just to see how they fare.

To be fair with Largo the best results should be done with the Waldorf PPG Wave 2.V since it's the emulation of the real thing. It's included as the LE version on the Largo full version.
I guess the potential of Largo will be shown when all of it's features are used to make new sounds.

Waldorf Largo + Blofeld: free + commercial patches