Free VSTi Sampler : TX16Wx 0.9beta *update 11*

[elcallio]

Love it so far. Thanks for making this!

Quick question: How do you rename a performance, program etc? I can rename a group but when I try to click on a program, it's just giving me a drop down to select another program.

Thanks!

Shift-click the name of the program or performance to edit the name.

[V'ger]

funny thing, nostalgia... I keep wincing at the idea of things like loop-point modulation, and all these cool modern features I had to laugh at myself when the suggestion of making the GUI "more intuitive" made me feel grumpy! I'm like, "Cripes, here we go! The TX16W wasn't supposed to be easy to freakin' use, dammit, why the hell do you think they went to all the trouble to restrict us to only 16 buttons and a 2 line LCD??? They would have at least given us a function wheel if it was meant to be fun... YOU KIDS GET THE HELL OFF OF MY LAWN!"

[pc2000]

I'm using win7 32bit on a laptop and can't get any audio whatsoever from tx16w2. Even the sound browser doesn't produce audio. Other plug-ins like Kontakt and battery 3 work fine. My CPU supports SSE2. I tried this plug-N with Fl studio 10 and Music creator 5 with the same no audio result. Anyone using this in win7 or Vista?

[EvilDragon]

Looks cool, however I have some suggestions and noticings in order to make it even more interesting:

* 6-24 dB/oct filters!
* Is 128 poly global for all multimode parts? If so, increase this to 512 or 1024, since you DO have unlimited multitimbral parts!
* More modulators: S&H LFO (perhaps with adjustable slew rate, to get sample-and-glide), envelope follower, step sequencer...
* Bigger UI. It looks too crammed on 1920x1080 over here.
* Automatable synthesis parameters, not only volume and pan of 64 parts. Perhaps introduce a Macro page, which would enable the user to link synthesis parameters from multiple groups to one knob, which would then be MIDI learnable?
* The filter resonance is perhaps a bit TOO brutal, don't you think? I get a lot of master track auto-muting because of too loud signals in Reaper when sweeping the Frequency knob with Resonance only at 0.50 and drive at -1.00! That doesn't look or feel right, or does it (when compared to the original)?
* Ctrl+clicking on modulation amount should reset the amount to the default value.
* Mono mode with key-off retrigger to previously held note. The retrigger should also happen when sustain pedal is pressed (for legato hammer-on pull-off effect).
* Separate pitch bend up and down range.
* I know that you won't like it, but... STREAMING. Yes.

And now noticings:

* Make Lowpass the default filter when creating a new group (currently it's Allpass).
* When I delete a Place, the display is not refreshed.
* The modulation amounts aren't refreshed in realtime (not the display, but sound-wise). It would be better if they were.



Otherwise, a very fine plugin to be!

[shanecgriffo]

mm , i cant get it to work either, unless i just click on the window that has the sample waveform view, then it triggers.
A quick start guide is sorely needed i think
edit- oops i see there is a manual mentioned.. off to take a look

[elcallio]

Some suggestions and comments about parameter automation has got me thinking. The current modulation/automation scheme of TX16Wx is based on Midi controller mappings in the modulation table, and then up to 64 program slots volume and pan automated. There are a number of problems here though.

1. Not all hosts allow for convenient automation tracks for Midi controllers, thus you have to actually add/paint/record real control changes to automate modulation. Which is fine if you fiddle knobs on your controller surface, but not everyone has one.
2. There are a lot of automation parameters unused (perhaps ~100) in normal use.

So, one post in the reaper forums got me thinking: Perhaps automation parameters should be dynamic, i.e. you add either a program slot attribute or a controller+midichannel to be assigned to automation. This reduces the number of parameters and creates a workaround for those hosts that lack automation curves for midi controllers.

Opinions?

[elcallio]

Loop Start and Loop end Modulation would be heaven

I have to ask, what usecases are this actually good for? I tried implementing it, also tested it in other instruments 'for reference', and I'm pretty much just getting crap sound from it, as in it breaks the wave play... I mean, sure I guess if you set the modulation value and scale proper you can do some effects, but is it really worth the extra CPU load? Also, how should the value clamp work? Should it be allowed to modulate loop start to after loop end etc?
Still debating with myself if I'll add this feature...

[KimSteff]

Hej

I cant load the plugin two or more times i my DAW. i am using Sonar 8.5
sincerely
Kim

[EvilDragon]

Loop Start and Loop end Modulation would be heaven

I have to ask, what usecases are this actually good for? I tried implementing it, also tested it in other instruments 'for reference', and I'm pretty much just getting crap sound from it, as in it breaks the wave play... I mean, sure I guess if you set the modulation value and scale proper you can do some effects, but is it really worth the extra CPU load? Also, how should the value clamp work? Should it be allowed to modulate loop start to after loop end etc?
Still debating with myself if I'll add this feature...

Kontakt does it in such way that the new sample start point is evaluated only on new note played, not in realtime. So that's one option.

Of course, you wouldn't want the startpoint to go beyond endpoint in ANY case.

[elcallio]

Loop Start and Loop end Modulation would be heaven

I have to ask, what usecases are this actually good for? I tried implementing it, also tested it in other instruments 'for reference', and I'm pretty much just getting crap sound from it, as in it breaks the wave play... I mean, sure I guess if you set the modulation value and scale proper you can do some effects, but is it really worth the extra CPU load? Also, how should the value clamp work? Should it be allowed to modulate loop start to after loop end etc?
Still debating with myself if I'll add this feature...

Kontakt does it in such way that the new sample start point is evaluated only on new note played, not in realtime. So that's one option.

Of course, you wouldn't want the startpoint to go beyond endpoint in ANY case.

That makes more sense I guess, and easier to make "nice". So here is another question: I've made the "Sample Start" modifier in units of time. Does time make sense as a unit for wave start, loop start, loop end modulation? Or should this be a percentage of the wave length? I am somewhat partial towards time myself, since it is a more human unit. However, if you have a split with several samples of different actual length perhaps percentage is better?

[Grenoybel]

Loop Start and Loop end Modulation would be heaven

I have to ask, what usecases are this actually good for? I tried implementing it, also tested it in other instruments 'for reference', and I'm pretty much just getting crap sound from it, as in it breaks the wave play... I mean, sure I guess if you set the modulation value and scale proper you can do some effects, but is it really worth the extra CPU load? Also, how should the value clamp work? Should it be allowed to modulate loop start to after loop end etc?
Still debating with myself if I'll add this feature...

Kontakt does it in such way that the new sample start point is evaluated only on new note played, not in realtime. So that's one option.

Of course, you wouldn't want the startpoint to go beyond endpoint in ANY case.

That makes more sense I guess, and easier to make "nice". So here is another question: I've made the "Sample Start" modifier in units of time. Does time make sense as a unit for wave start, loop start, loop end modulation? Or should this be a percentage of the wave length? I am somewhat partial towards time myself, since it is a more human unit. However, if you have a split with several samples of different actual length perhaps percentage is better?

Hello,

I use it mostly for "glitchy" stuff that I try to take some control, don't know if this makes sense.
I enjoy time for sure, but like EvilDragon said the loop start should never go beyond loop end.
By the way what's the difference in cpu in your tests?

To pc2000, I'm using Win7 Ultimate x86 and it worked.

[pc2000]

Thanks 4 the acknowledgement Grenoybel! I guess my system doesn't agree with this plug-N for some reason. The audio browser won't even play audio. The progress bar for the browser just does a quick flash no matter the length of the audio file.

No one asked 4 my opinion, but I'll offer it just the same...I think this sampler is starting to get away from it's original perceived vision. I see request for advanced features associated with commercial samplers which seems to be quite pointless for something that doesn't have streaming abilities. I have Kontakt-3, Battery3, and other samplers. The appeal for me with this, was a quick easy sampler to make some quick sounds with.

I would hate to see this meet the same fate as the short-circuit sampler by trying to add too many needless features for something that's meant as freeware.I saw vemberaudio's reasons for making his freeware. Among the reasons was trying to keep up with updates, bug-fixes and ever changing windows OS updates that may have caused new bugs. Short-circuit-2 was a more ambitious offering which is awfully buggy! IMO, the developer added too many new features that simply made the sampler unstable and time consuming to keep updated. The first version of S.C. is better IMO, and simply needed the inclusion of a sound browser and a few other improvements.


I think adding streaming is among the most relevant features to add. No sense in being limited to small samples or a limited number of programs. A good choice of filters and maybe some simple fx included.

[rifftrax]

This does look pretty fricken sweet. I'm going to give it a try... Props for such a cool project.

[EvilDragon]

Loop Start and Loop end Modulation would be heaven

I have to ask, what usecases are this actually good for? I tried implementing it, also tested it in other instruments 'for reference', and I'm pretty much just getting crap sound from it, as in it breaks the wave play... I mean, sure I guess if you set the modulation value and scale proper you can do some effects, but is it really worth the extra CPU load? Also, how should the value clamp work? Should it be allowed to modulate loop start to after loop end etc?
Still debating with myself if I'll add this feature...

Kontakt does it in such way that the new sample start point is evaluated only on new note played, not in realtime. So that's one option.

Of course, you wouldn't want the startpoint to go beyond endpoint in ANY case.

That makes more sense I guess, and easier to make "nice". So here is another question: I've made the "Sample Start" modifier in units of time. Does time make sense as a unit for wave start, loop start, loop end modulation? Or should this be a percentage of the wave length? I am somewhat partial towards time myself, since it is a more human unit. However, if you have a split with several samples of different actual length perhaps percentage is better?

Should be time. But I guess you can program it in such way that one or the other could be selected, depending on preferences. When percentage is used, the "100%" would NOT be the whole sample length, but the length from the start point to loop end point. Of course, the maximum modulation amount should be scaled at the loop end point, so that sample start never goes above loop end...

[lalo]

Loop Start and Loop end Modulation would be heaven

I have to ask, what usecases are this actually good for? I tried implementing it, also tested it in other instruments 'for reference', and I'm pretty much just getting crap sound from it, as in it breaks the wave play... I mean, sure I guess if you set the modulation value and scale proper you can do some effects, but is it really worth the extra CPU load? Also, how should the value clamp work? Should it be allowed to modulate loop start to after loop end etc?
Still debating with myself if I'll add this feature...

Kontakt does it in such way that the new sample start point is evaluated only on new note played, not in realtime. So that's one option.

Of course, you wouldn't want the startpoint to go beyond endpoint in ANY case.

hi guys. nice work! congrats to the developer! as a modulation freak i'd like to have the feature do modulate start and end loop points even after the sample is triggered by midi note. this is essential to do all that retriggering strange effects wich i really love. and let the sart point go over the end one is great mostly if by mean of this technique the loop direction just ...reverse. nice effects