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Cuauhtli wrote:*sigh* no answer. Oh well, have enough synths as it is.
The files for the audioMIDI edition are hosted on Amazon S3. I couldn't find any information whether it supports download managers or not.

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Cuauhtli wrote:*sigh* no answer. Oh well, have enough synths as it is.
FWIW - I downloaded it using the latest Free Download Manager triggered from the latest Firefox.

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jonahs wrote:Is there an INT patch in the full version?
Right-click preset, and select "clear". You can also change the init preset (it's the default.fxp file in the presets directory).
And is there a lazy mode for loading samples? I'm using OSX and I can't even find a SFZ creator. Something that grabs the file names in a directory and appends default info? I mean "Name of directory" 0-127|"Filename.wav"|440|0|"actual length of sample" would work for me most of the time. Otherwise I'm probably just going to call my files 1,2,3..99. :lol:
Some shell script could do that, I guess. The tricky part is getting the sample length, I'd need to look at what happens if you don't specify it.
I'm using the 2.09 demo with Logic and there are some nasty bugs. I'm grabbing 2.1 now, but switching waveforms causes a CPU spike.
Waveforms are stored in a compressed format so it takes some cpu to unpack them. I'll have a look at it though.
More dangerously, if you set FX to serial with no FX loaded you get a super loud noise blast.
This I'll fix :)
Minor usability gripes: For Osc Level the first envelope point is selectable, but it appears there is nothing you can do with it?
Well, no, you can't do anything with it, because envs start at 0. On the other hand it is selectable because some envs (like the pitch envs) don't have to start at 0.
The other usability issues I can address in 2.11, when the craze associated with the audioMIDI sale has cooled down :)

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No joy here with loading my own samples - I made a sfz with Translator Pro, put everything in the right folders inside the Rhino folder structure but I only get an error message, the first time also Logic totally crashed on me. What gives?
I've tried different wav formats 48Khz/24 Bit and 44.1 Khz/16 Bit stereo/mono - but to no avail...
Even all the sfzs I made for my Alchemy Banks don't load in Rhino, always the same error message.

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Simon,

Just email me one of your sfz and wav files at bigtickaudio@gmail.com and I'll set it up for you. Then you can use it as a model for the other ones.

'Tick

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Big Tick wrote:Simon,

Just email me one of your sfz and wav files at bigtickaudio@gmail.com and I'll set it up for you. Then you can use it as a model for the other ones.

'Tick
Thank's - I just used one of the Rhino sfzs as a template and now it works, so Translator Pro-sfzs can't be used which is a real shame as making sfzs manually in a text editor is a PITA sort of....
Also I just figured Rhino only plays mono samples, am I missing something or is that indeed the case?

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Yes - the oscillators are mono.

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Big Tick wrote:Yes - the oscillators are mono.
That's a shame... :cry:

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They get stereoized by the effects, though. Rhino was never intended to be a sampler.


Besides, it's good there are still things left to do, possibly for a Rhino 3 :)

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Purchased.

Okay, it took me forever to get sample loading to work, but I got it. I'm confused though. You have to put a text file in a folder in the external folder, but then you have to put your samples in the root of the sample folder. By the way, switching user samples has a much smaller cpu bump. wavetables :lol:

Leaving out the sample length did appear to cause a crash.

I'm bummed out though it appears you can't use user samples as modulators? I tried feeding the OSC back on itself and nothing happened.

I really like how the waveshaping effects the actual oscillator shape.

I'm perfectly happy with Rhino (especially for the price!), so please don't take this the wrong way, but another small usability enhancement would be being able go to the OSC pages and copy from the matrix by clicking in the top or left of the matrix. Also, as someone that likes to make my own sounds taking the osc page copy to the next level and alowing them to be saved would be useful.

Personally, from an ease of use standpoint I rate Rhino higher than FM8.
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Big Tick wrote:Yes - the oscillators are mono.
That's a shame... :cry:
A pan control would still be neat.... :)

Anyway, thanks so much for offering this synth at a great price!

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jonahs wrote:I'm bummed out though it appears you can't use user samples as modulators? I tried feeding the OSC back on itself and nothing happened.
Really ? You can definitely use them as modulators, a lot of the factory presets do (all the waveforms in there were user samples at some point).
I really like how the waveshaping effects the actual oscillator shape.
Well, one word of warning about the waveshaping: it is better to ensure that the waveshaper middle point is right center. Otherwise, this means that it transforms a 0 into something else, thus introducing a DC offset. Feed this into some of the processors that have feedback (like some filters or effects) and you are very likely to overblow the engine.
I'm perfectly happy with Rhino (especially for the price!), so please don't take this the wrong way, but another small usability enhancement would be being able go to the OSC pages and copy from the matrix by clicking in the top or left of the matrix. Also, as someone that likes to make my own sounds taking the osc page copy to the next level and alowing them to be saved would be useful.
Thanks for the suggestions. They actually make sense (and anything that doesn't require major UI changes is much easier to implement. Rhino code is 90% UI)
Personally, from an ease of use standpoint I rate Rhino higher than FM8.
Well, some love it, some hate it - I guess its workflow matches the way you design sounds.
A pan control would still be neat.... :)
Agreed - but it would come at the expense of CPU usage (basically, twice as much for all the oscillators stuff).

You can, however, pan the output of the filters using one of the modulation curves - there are curves for modulating pan with keyboard positions, you can set them to a straight line at your desired pan position.

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winds350 wrote: FWIW - I downloaded it using the latest Free Download Manager triggered from the latest Firefox.
You wouldn't happen to recall if FDM said yes or no to resume support?

From what I found on google, resume capability is supposedly supported by Amazon S3. Worth a shot I guess. I lack a good FM synth in my arsenal.

Anyways, thanks for the replies.
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I'm really confused about what's going on with the sample loading...

I got it working, then I made some new sounds with the same file name and I get an error message that the samples are missing. They are in the correct format and I changed the sample length in the text file to match as well. As soon as I switch back to the old files all is well and I can make a new multisample with the files that show up as missing if I give the files unique names.

Plus, when I tried editing the actual name of the original text file Rhino was still looking for the first text file (must store this internally?) and I got an error from that as well.
Big Tick wrote:
jonahs wrote:I'm bummed out though it appears you can't use user samples as modulators? I tried feeding the OSC back on itself and nothing happened.
Really ? You can definitely use them as modulators, a lot of the factory presets do (all the waveforms in there were user samples at some point).
I tested again with headphones and it was just incedibly subtle. Not sure what's going on, but I'll have to experiment more.

Thanks for the info about waveshaping and panning the filters!

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Just send me this multisample and txt file if you want, and I'll check it out. Might be something as basic as a carriage return in the txt file.

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Is there a way to run rhino as a portable app (with everything in its own folder and no use of common folders/registry)(on windows that is) ?

thanks

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