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trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:49 am

I'd even get that profiling amp just so that my ARP2600 can really sing!

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:57 am

hibidy wrote:Hink, you should know better

I want ALL the toys

I heard some bad cat stuff a few years ago and was like "wow, I want that sound". From clean to chug (depending of course) they just have allot of wow factor. There are a gazillion others I'd want too, but sadly I just don't know the names.

check out a boogie 5:25 or 5:50 express...I was very close to buying one tbh and who knows? I figure there will be plenty used ones as time goes on and I would like a little combo

http://www.humbuckermusic.com/meex51xcoam.html

they do make a head too that I've seen on ebay for a grand

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:55 am

trimph1 wrote:I'd even get that profiling amp just so that my ARP2600 can really sing!

but...if this is a game changer and let's say for argument's sake it is equivalent to the type of game changer modeling was...face it Barry, when it comes to technology how many times have you seen the first model or version be the be all, end all?

I can't help but remember going to an electronics show in 1981 or 82 with my best friend. His father gave him a signed blank check and said he wanted one of those new (beta of course) vcr things so he could record shows. Marc paid 2,015 dollars for a mono vcr in the early days of commercial vcrs. In 1985 I bought my mom a vcr made by panasonic and this was vhs for under 200 dollars. My friend Marc could not believe how much better my mother's was...familiar story? (fwiw last fall I brought my mom a vcr of mine because the other one died)

I have nothing against this amp, I'm just making some basic observations to add to a conversation about something that I am indeed always interested in...guitar tone. I know the feeling of being the first kid on the block and it's fun, but I have also said "I knew I should have waited".

I do believe this might be the future but you know what? This is an exciting time to be a guitarist, amp sims and itb solutions are now hitting their stride, there's this awesome wave of low powered killer tube amps, theirs hardware modelers that have come along way, there's modeling amps and yet there's still plenty of sweet vintage amps if you like. Then there is the future, exciting stuff.

Some will call me wishy washy but I dont care because I reserve the right to change my mind on any subject at any time...I wont play "I never said that" because I welcome having my mind changed (yes even with gibson

) so I think it's going to be fun to see what is to come and there is plenty to to get excited about now. So I see no reasons to close any doors nor anything to really argue about, I'm an open book

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:12 am

Come on, it's all placebo. It's nothing I can't get with my radio sha..........

Never mind.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:22 am

hibidy wrote:Come on, it's all placebo. It's nothing I can't get with my radio sha..........

Never mind.

meh..I've given the whole placebo thing a lot of thought on a lot of subjects and I have come up with one conclusion...who cares? Everything may be placebos or there may be no such thing, how do we know what's real and what's not? Kay Sarah, Sarah

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:31 am

Wise, you are.

But that seems to be the flavor again on teh forums again......get's on my nerves.

Anyways, if this ibby doesn't work out, it's going on the list. Sweetwater has them for about 1850. Still, MUCHO research to be done.

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:31 pm

Hink wrote:I'm not saying I wouldn't want one, I'm sure they're killer but they are very expensive and frankly as you know Dean that is not my style...the ones I have seen and been interested in were over 3K...I dont have champagne taste nor could I justify that price at this time in my life. I would rather have all the combinations I can create with the great amps I have now than have one sick one...I'm sure I going to make any amp sound sick or even dying anyhow

I'll take a Lynx50 profiled, Hell I can not afford the real deal or justify it when you said/pointed out - The amount of stuff one could/would spend that sort of money on makes it far too luxary an item for me without question. I have settled on the Laney IronHeart amp as my own poor man's Rivera Knucklehead K7 MT Sig head as it has alot of options with the tone stack on each channel and costs a fraction of the real deal. Laney's official video demo of it makes it sound like shit though

compared with how br00tal or pristine clean it can sound *to me and what I have gotten out of one anyway*

Did someone mention the 'Behringer Capturing Amplifier' somewhere back on this thread? Bet they are trying already in B land

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:37 pm

@Hink.

I'm assuming not so much game changer as another option to use when doing live shows...which I am in the process of getting some gigs together...

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:46 pm

trimph1 wrote:@Hink.

I'm assuming not so much game changer as another option to use when doing live shows...which I am in the process of getting some gigs together...

It will prevent many possible hernia's I'll bet

It seems to me it would fit anyone without negating anything that already is in one's collection (or not), Same as I view the Two Notes Torpedo as not negating micing up cabs for real still but as a complement/another option. It can only be win win way I see it seriously. I still need to try first though which has already been mentioned by many already as the feel is one of the elusive areas that 'real' amps have and I have not got out of anything else (except my Vox AD100VT valvetronix head but I see that as just another amp really as it is a 100 watt solid state head really)...We'll see one day and I am

excited for that day to come

Cheers and best to all as always

Dean

Kineticsoundprism · Post by **Kineticsoundprism** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 1:10 pm

sounds really nice but i am never sure anything will really change the game as such , its always a gradual progression really.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 2:36 pm

Hink wrote:I do want clarify that I can't afford to just buy amps, I buy amps I can afford which serve me well...not expensive amps.

I didn't mean to elude that you were some monocled robber barron who had a butler shoot his amps off with an elephant gun and just bought another.

But you do post a lot about different amps you collect and I could be wrong, but I bet the money spent on all your amps together would probably be in the neighborhood of the Kemper and not give you nearly the variety. Of course, how many amps does a man need? That's a question for another topic.

But you get what I'm saying. Of course, I don't know if this thing really exceeds the sound of a good miced amp, or even how much better it is to an Amplitube, or your favorite amp sim Vandal. I was just very impressed by the demos I've heard so far and my usual response to such things is, "Yup, that sounds like a guitar amp."

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:01 pm

Hink wrote:how many times have you seen the first model or version be the be all, end all?

I can't help but remember going to an electronics show in 1981 or 82 with my best friend. His father gave him a signed blank check and said he wanted one of those new (beta of course) vcr things so he could record shows. Marc paid 2,015 dollars for a mono vcr in the early days of commercial vcrs. In 1985 I bought my mom a vcr made by panasonic and this was vhs for under 200 dollars. My friend Marc could not believe how much better my mother's was...familiar story? (fwiw last fall I brought my mom a vcr of mine because the other one died)

I agree with you, but I can't help but sh!t on your point, because I worked electronics retail during that time period and those early VCRs were TANKS. Almost commercial pro-grade in terms of their drive systems. That $200 VCR died so quickly because it had one cheap motor that did triple duty and used a cheap plastic transmission to get it. OK, things like stereo and programming options were added later and those things made them easier to use but not really any better, as the VHS format itself didn't change all that much.

But back to agreeing with you... NOT!

yeah, it is v1 and it's always wise to let other be early adopters, but it's a bit unfair to compare it to a VCR. Before the VCR, what did you use to record your TV shows? Nothing. Well, I used a table top cassette deck to record The Monkees, but that doesn't count.

It was easy to see that everyone would want a VCR so you quickly got economy of scale. You'll never get that to the same degree with something like this because there isn't the same possible market. Also, on some level, this is a computer with a built in audio interface. I doubt it's got anything really new in it, tech wise. It's novelty is in the programming. So if the components are solid and the software bug free, getting a v1 isn't nearly as risky as getting the first VCR. It would be really nice if someone like Harmon bought this tech and used their manufacturing prowess to mass produce this at a greatly reduced cost... not likely, but that would be awesome.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:24 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
Hink wrote:I do want clarify that I can't afford to just buy amps, I buy amps I can afford which serve me well...not expensive amps.
I didn't mean to elude that you were some monocled robber barron who had a butler shoot his amps off with an elephant gun and just bought another. But you do post a lot about different amps you collect and I could be wrong, but I bet the money spent on all your amps together would probably be in the neighborhood of the Kemper and not give you nearly the variety. Of course, how many amps does a man need? That's a question for another topic. But you get what I'm saying. Of course, I don't know if this thing really exceeds the sound of a good miced amp, or even how much better it is to an Amplitube, or your favorite amp sim Vandal. I was just very impressed by the demos I've heard so far and my usual response to such things is, "Yup, that sounds like a guitar amp."

no I have paid more than the cost of the Kemper especially when you factor in the attenuator, the iso cab, the Yellow jackets

Jet City 499
Egnater 550
Frenzel 315
Boogie 450 (used of course and I bought that in 06)
TBA 639 (that's the most I ever paid for an amp in my life and I expect here before tax day)

I wont lie, part of this recent boom in amps (all except the boogie I got in the last 18 months) is because after all these years I can (what a fool I was when I was young, do you know how many nice amps went up my nose* back in the day?). But also I have been doing this with the idea of everything being pretty modular (except my boogie for now but that really is my elephant gun

). Right now it's the kick I'm on but I think I am running out of GAS when it comes to tube amps.

One of the reasons I'm so vocal about it is because I want people to know you do not have to buy something like a Bad Cat, you can do very well for short money. I think all these low powered amps is one of the best things to happen for guitarists in a long time, the same is true when it comes to sims. I also like the weight of these amps, putting a cs 400 up on a shelf in 99 gave me a hernia and I (the biggest wimp when it comes to doctors) had to have surgery. It was the power amp I used with my marshall pre...when your amp kicks your ass it's bad

I too am impressed with what I have heard from the Kemper but because we live in the disposable age I do worry about it's longevity...however it's not just music gear I'm this way with. I hate it, mediocrity and planned obsolescence is the new standard which is just plain wrong. But I do think profiling is the next big thing so I'm watching this closely.

BTW I do not like VANDAL over AT at all, I find them to be so different from each other that they both have their place...I do like both better than the rest though. I do regret buying GTR, it's not horrible but it just does not measure up against AT and AT gives you so many choices GTR is just plain useless...I'm on the fence with GR, I do not have any desire at this time to go to GR5 but GR4 does have some interesting fx

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:42 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
Hink wrote:how many times have you seen the first model or version be the be all, end all?

I can't help but remember going to an electronics show in 1981 or 82 with my best friend. His father gave him a signed blank check and said he wanted one of those new (beta of course) vcr things so he could record shows. Marc paid 2,015 dollars for a mono vcr in the early days of commercial vcrs. In 1985 I bought my mom a vcr made by panasonic and this was vhs for under 200 dollars. My friend Marc could not believe how much better my mother's was...familiar story? (fwiw last fall I brought my mom a vcr of mine because the other one died)
I agree with you, but I can't help but sh!t on your point, because I worked electronics retail during that time period and those early VCRs were TANKS. Almost commercial pro-grade in terms of their drive systems. That $200 VCR died so quickly because it had one cheap motor that did triple duty and used a cheap plastic transmission to get it. OK, things like stereo and programming options were added later and those things made them easier to use but not really any better, as the VHS format itself didn't change all that much.

But back to agreeing with you... NOT! yeah, it is v1 and it's always wise to let other be early adopters, but it's a bit unfair to compare it to a VCR. Before the VCR, what did you use to record your TV shows? Nothing. Well, I used a table top cassette deck to record The Monkees, but that doesn't count. It was easy to see that everyone would want a VCR so you quickly got economy of scale. You'll never get that to the same degree with something like this because there isn't the same possible market. Also, on some level, this is a computer with a built in audio interface. I doubt it's got anything really new in it, tech wise. It's novelty is in the programming. So if the components are solid and the software bug free, getting a v1 isn't nearly as risky as getting the first VCR. It would be really nice if someone like Harmon bought this tech and used their manufacturing prowess to mass produce this at a greatly reduced cost... not likely, but that would be awesome.

you misread my post dude, the 200 dollar vcr was bought in 1985 and died last year (it did have programming). Before VCRs I could only dream of recording shows, in 2000 I was quick to jump on board with tivo and have had a DVR ever since.

I agree that the Kemper probably doesn't have anything new per se, but it's got to have parts that work only with it (like the screen for instance) and that's what I was talking about. I can recap a tube amp, replace switches, jacks and pots, swap out tubes and bias them (basically anything but some diagnostics). I would be afraid to even open the Kemper

Dean Aka Nekro · Post by **Dean Aka Nekro** » Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:02 pm

Impressive

Is the Kemper Profiling amp a game changer?