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SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:29 pm

memyselfandus wrote:looks pretty good to me

http://www.houseofwhitetie.com/reaper/wtbb_2.png

http://www.houseofwhitetie.com/reaper/wtbb_3.png

Parts of white ties stuff looks good as individual pieces. I actually have a lot of respect for his artistic capabilities. But, as a whole those interfaces look awful. And, part of it is the sluggishness and finicky feel of it all.

For example when I launch a project, The mode for some of the toggles is not set properly. Have to click them on/off to get them to display their correct state. Minor, but annoying. There are 210928050123443248727374 minor things like that.

Although v4 is better, it is still not professionally self integrated as a tool. It's like an endless collection of stuff all put in a box you have to dig through to find something that might do what you want.

chokehold · Post by **chokehold** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:44 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:when I launch a project, The mode for some of the toggles is not set properly. Have to click them on/off to get them to display their correct state. Minor, but annoying.

That's in no way minor, rather a very major bug.
Luckily, I cant reproduce it. Neither on Win7 nor on OSX 10.7 does it misbehave like that.

Looks like my Reaper happened to be a good one, and yours must have been one of the bad ones out of the batch.

mgpqa1 · Post by **mgpqa1** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:50 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:Parts of white ties stuff looks good as individual pieces. I actually have a lot of respect for his artistic capabilities. But, as a whole those interfaces look awful.

I agree and this is why -- despite the fact that you can make custom themes for Reaper (which is great) -- the UI never felt solid to me.

You can make a theme with the most beautiful faders/knobs/buttons/etc. known in existence, but that all won't matter if they're in weird places or don't function/behave as a part of a unified UI ensemble.

blueman · Post by **blueman** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:50 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:Although v4 is better, it is still not professionally self integrated as a tool. It's like an endless collection of stuff all put in a box you have to dig through to find something that might do what you want.

^^ and...this

blueman · Post by **blueman** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:58 pm

memyselfandus wrote:looks pretty good to me

http://www.houseofwhitetie.com/reaper/wtbb_2.png

http://www.houseofwhitetie.com/reaper/wtbb_3.png

Sure, the skinning look great but as they say....you can put a dress on a pig; it's still a pig

The interface is patchwork at best with no respect given to proper usability or solid design. It lacks cohesion and looks dated and amateur in every way. The Reaper community often reinforces this lack of care to standardization and usability by touting the features as the only relevant thing to the product but I'm convinced it turns a lot of ppl off.

Everything else about Reaper is great and getting better which is why I'm still willing to suffer the awful user experience

DrApostropheX · Post by **DrApostropheX** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:02 pm

To be honest, I'm not sure how they could improve the UI much while still retaining Reaper's modularity and flexible routing and workflow. It looks the way it does because you can do practically anything with it.

I do like the interface of Sonar X1, but you're still rather locked into Sonar's way of doing things with it. And if that's not the way you want to work, oh well!

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:08 pm

blueman wrote:
memyselfandus wrote:looks pretty good to me

http://www.houseofwhitetie.com/reaper/wtbb_2.png

http://www.houseofwhitetie.com/reaper/wtbb_3.png
Sure, the skinning look great but as they say....you can put a dress on a pig; it's still a pig

The interface is patchwork at best with no respect given to proper usability or solid design. It lacks cohesion and looks dated and amateur in every way. The Reaper community often reinforces this lack of care to standardization and usability by touting the features as the only relevant thing to the product but I'm convinced it turns a lot of ppl off.

Everything else about Reaper is great and getting better which is why I'm still willing to suffer the awful user experience

I'm getting a bit tired of hearing this - in your opinion - there is an element of hype about Reaper's so called "poor ergonomics" (much like its so called "fanboys") - many do not have a problem (or at least huge problem) with the interface and for me it was the easiest host to learn after Tracktion and it's a joy to use compared to say Sonar which I have to fight with all the time to do anything.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:17 pm

Uh oh........here we go

ibtl

anzoid · Post by **anzoid** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:18 pm

hibidy wrote:Also, I'm the only one in the world that actually likes the GUI

Hibidy, you are not alone! I really the GUI too. I've tried a few skins and always come back to v.4's default. It's nice

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:20 pm

anzoid wrote:
hibidy wrote:Also, I'm the only one in the world that actually likes the GUI
Hibidy, you are not alone! I really the GUI too. I've tried a few skins and always come back to v.4's default. It's nice

I wouldn't say I entirely like it but it's not the big deal some people seem to want to make out and it's certainly not that difficult to get at least a basic understanding of pretty quickly - it's a lot better than many hosts I've used (and I have used a lot)

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:33 pm

I didn't mind it, & I didn't mind the layout really as far as I tried to see about Reamote for that thread. It seemed like there were a whole lot of tweaky options you'd have to be a software engineer to understand, but I suppose 'it's customizable!'

As per the OP, I wouldn't buy it simply because it doesn't do what I need a host to do in at least one primary area.

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hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:43 pm

I was going through the chronological listing of my daw experiences, then realized not many would care

So I'll just say 1000'nds just to get to the least expensive and be happy

5Lives · Post by **5Lives** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:26 am

My answer: no, definitely not (especially not if it was at PT's prices...but no DAW is worth that price in my opinion).

Logic / Cubase / PT are all much more mature and polished DAWs. Even Studio One v2, which is relatively new, is much more polished and mature. Reaper, while having a lot of "features", lacks some big highly common features in my experience and I think as MANY people have brought up, has some severe user interface issues (you can argue this all you want, but if you don't think so, you need to go read a bit more about UI best practices - seriously).

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:34 am

chokehold wrote:
SJ_Digriz wrote:when I launch a project, The mode for some of the toggles is not set properly. Have to click them on/off to get them to display their correct state. Minor, but annoying.
That's in no way minor, rather a very major bug.
Luckily, I cant reproduce it. Neither on Win7 nor on OSX 10.7 does it misbehave like that.

If you made your own macros to open close very features, it would happen to you to. It's a confirmed problem since the very early alphas and betas of 4. It just never gets fixed. It's a nuisance in a busy project when being able to tell toggle status matters. Here's a little video to demonstrate.

The mixer toggle opens as if the mixer at the bottom is closed. However you can clearly see it is open. However, when I toggle it closed, the icon remains in the off state. Opening brings again, brings out the correct state. By the way this is teh latest 4.14 pre 1a release. It has had this problem from the very start.

Would you still buy Reaper if it will cost you as much as the other DAWs ?