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osiris · Post by **osiris** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:14 pm

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lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:21 pm

Did you see how surprised everyone was when Susan Boyle could actually sing? They were all about to throw rotten fruit at her just because she didn't look like Fergie (no the other one) or a ho from snoop dawgs latest foshizzle drizzle bizzle schnizzle dancing posse.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:36 pm

rifftrax wrote:
osiris wrote:What put the final nail in music's coffin was rap. Which meant anyone without talent could just speak their stream of consciousness set to a beat and release it as a single.
Dang. I mean I know there is a lot of modern music hate on this board but really?

I guess sucks for all you guys. I'm here enjoying the current era of music tremendously. I feel bad for the rest of you. Must be tough having to live in the past to get any joy out of music at all.

I guess if one is to 'blame' an entire genre for the downfall of music then lay it on all music genres. If one is to 'blame' an entire decade for the downfall of music then 'blame' it on all decades...and so forth.

Popular music has been with us since who knows when, really. There was always some kind of suckage that plagued those of us with more 'refined' ears.

I really do believe some here need to take a new drug called Sumbunall...it will relax you and make it so that this debate can be a little more saner.

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osiris · Post by **osiris** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:36 pm

everything old is new again..

PS: That's not Lady Gaga, that's Dale Bozzio from Missing Persons. Another band that ruined today's music..

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:17 pm

osiris wrote:What put the final nail in music's coffin was rap. Which meant anyone without talent could just speak their stream of consciousness set to a beat and release it as a single.

That's got to get the award for 'biggest old fart in the thread' comment so far...

You only really have to listen to the large number of people who *think* they can rap to realize that it's nowhere near as easy as most people seem to think, and without the development in rap I think music from the 80s through to now would be very different. It had a huge impact on how music developed, both in good and bad ways, but it's far from a genre performed by the talentless (until you look at rap after 2000 in which I think it's pretty fair comment to say that those who perform it are talenless, but mostly because their names are Lil Wayne, 50 Cent, Soulja Boy, Flo Rida, etc.)

deathwish · Post by **deathwish** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 7:24 pm

lotus2035 wrote:Did you see how surprised everyone was when Susan Boyle could actually sing? They were all about to throw rotten fruit at her just because she didn't look like Fergie (no the other one) or a ho from snoop dawgs latest foshizzle drizzle bizzle schnizzle dancing posse.

and you probably didn't buy her record

robogone · Post by **robogone** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:22 pm

deathwish wrote:
lotus2035 wrote:Did you see how surprised everyone was when Susan Boyle could actually sing? They were all about to throw rotten fruit at her just because she didn't look like Fergie (no the other one) or a ho from snoop dawgs latest foshizzle drizzle bizzle schnizzle dancing posse.
and you probably didn't buy her record

Hell no! It was shit.

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:44 pm

I was going for that....

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:05 pm

What a circus this thread has become

I'm staring at an "anyone can create great music ad"

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:48 pm

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SadPuppyBlues · Post by **SadPuppyBlues** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:00 pm

Looks like you totally missed a lot of what I was saying. So I'll make a post straightening it out for you.

rifftrax wrote:Have you ever heard of Eligh and Amp Live?

Eligh and Amp Live are a rapper and producer duo. Timbaland and Wyclef are "Hip Hop" producers that make half of their career doing with R&B what I was mentioning. I'll be a little bit more fair. These producers haven't changed since Missy, because she was evolved somewhat from Babyface.

You think I care if the good music I listen to was made by a sold-out hipster with illusions of grandeur vs. a coke-fueled guitar lead guitarist who is a dick to all his fans? Hell no I don't care. I'm talking about music not people. Sorry you can't get past that. Not my problem.

So, you're an ace pilot of missing the point. No, it's not uninventive because I don't like the person or because the motivations are shitty. And no, we don't have to get into a discussion about how an artist's motivations DO change the cultural context of what the music will end up meaning. I don't feel like our conversation can shoulder something like that.

I want you to really think about this: How do you get an inventive artist out of someone who just does what Deadmau5 told him to do? I'm gonna be Mr.Ethics for you again, and ask how can someone like that be considered an artist at all.

How about something I found on wikipedia. Gee that was easy.

Well, I should have expected that. So, you counted all those genres, and I appreciate that. But you do realize I asked you to name off 24 genres, and you gave me a comprehensive list of hip-hop genres that suggests only 40 even exist? You've really illustrated your point colorfully.

By the way... what's the difference between freestyle music and freestyle rap? Hip pop and pop rap? Mafioso and gangsta?

you want me to now define music groups that are "making waves" for their respective genre? What the hell? Good music isn't good music unless...

It's relevant in a topic about whether music is stagnant or not. Not every good artist needs to be a revolution but you should be able to come up with 12 dudes in a lively genre. Oh, and I like how much you're protesting this one.

Who said anything about defending a genre? Why do I need to defend modern hip-hop?

Haha, I'm just a crazy boy thinking our viewpoints oppose each other, and that you're on the side suggesting everything is okay.

Funny, because I also noticed that you seem completely preoccupied with your sob-story of how hip-hop turned out all wrong.

That's not quite the same thing as just blurting out "dubstep" every time there's an open-ended music discussion.

...to see the creative thinking that went into a drastically different style of musical work. Maybe that makes me a sucker.

I'm not gonna call you a sucker. But your inexperience shows when you call Skrillz "a drastically different style of musical work," and parroting off the word "dubstep" everywhere you walk illustrates your naivete.

I'm not saying there wasn't good music in the 80's. I'm not saying there isn't bad music now. I'm just saying there is an absurd amount more good music available now. WAY more.

There's way more alright music available now. There really aren't way more atom-smashing new genres and artists like there were in the beginning of the '80s. The '80s wrecked, and I like to think I wouldn't have wasted them like it looks you have.

It's obvious you have some issues bro. "The 80's wrecked what we have now"? Seriously? Boo-hoo.

They dominated. Uhh... they were more good.

I like the closing diatribe based on me saying the '80s were a big oppressive force, when everything I actually said was the opposite of that. Amazing writing. Killer comprehension. I dug it.

Get over yourself.

I'll get over myself when you stop dismissing everyone with a complaint with: "YOU JUST GOTTA DIG DEEPER."

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:02 pm

osiris wrote:

PS: That's not Lady Gaga, that's Dale Bozzio from Missing Persons. Another band that ruined today's music..

Couldn't disagree more. Missing persons was a quirky fun band with killer musicians with pop till you drop. The idea of crazy drums as the forefront wasn't readily explored and nobody could/will ever pull it off like mr bozzio

VIVA LE MP's!

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:06 pm

@ 80's. I for one liked clothing, hair and innovative playing/fx/etc (yes I said it) to the current regime. Ymmv.

Btw, so what is everyones take on jazz? (this outta stir things into some other VS realm

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hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:10 pm

lotus2035 wrote:Did you see how surprised everyone was when Susan Boyle could actually sing? They were all about to throw rotten fruit at her just because she didn't look like Fergie (no the other one) or a ho from snoop dawgs latest foshizzle drizzle bizzle schnizzle dancing posse.

I know, but which one would you kick off your lawn?

SadPuppyBlues · Post by **SadPuppyBlues** » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:11 pm

robojam wrote:talentless... Lil Wayne

I'm already too invested in this thread, but I gotta respond to this. Yeah, Lil Wayne refuses to do anything remotely high-brow, I get that. But The Carter III was last decades The Chronic. He's about as talented as Timbo, only he was newer and more exciting in the '00s.

Lil Wayne wrecks your favorite rapper.

Get off my lawn!