personally i would like them to concentrate on more important things than thatalvfaria wrote:I think if IL release a Piano Roll VST plugin, they'll do lots of people happy (me included)
i wish fl studio was a true multitrack daw.
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- KVRAF
- 2490 posts since 2 Jan, 2008 from denmark
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
FL is a toy? 
Go back to your room
Go back to your room
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- KVRAF
- 4329 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
Im think the PPQ affects the available zoom level. Some of those low settings are totally jacked up. I have my default project saved with it maxed out, I think.
(I dont think it ever zooms down to sample level though. Close maybe. How many hosts do that inline?)
Also, click on any audio clip header to overlay volume or panning automation with snap-less nodes.
And thats not mentioning the elephant in the room, Edison.
Are we going to ignore the one-click load into one of the best editors just to invent a weakness?
When I saw this thread title I was sure it was about FLs issues with loading multi-track wavs for mix downs. FL does not handle huge samples as well as other hosts, last I checked. Im sure Gol has expounded on why it makes sense...
Ninety percent of the time this doesnt bother me, cuz just like I tend not to do sample editing in the FL playlist, I tend to avoid mixing down multis in FL. (Although I wouldnt mind being able to. I have like twenty GB of ram ffs.)
Anyway, as of this moment in FL10, handling long samples is literally the only thing I find lacking, and theres a good chance even that is my fault.
Oh, and if your projects are 'a mess' or you have automation being recorded when you dont realize it, etc... Maybe just pay attention and like magic that shit will fix itself. 
(I dont think it ever zooms down to sample level though. Close maybe. How many hosts do that inline?)
Also, click on any audio clip header to overlay volume or panning automation with snap-less nodes.
And thats not mentioning the elephant in the room, Edison.
Are we going to ignore the one-click load into one of the best editors just to invent a weakness?
When I saw this thread title I was sure it was about FLs issues with loading multi-track wavs for mix downs. FL does not handle huge samples as well as other hosts, last I checked. Im sure Gol has expounded on why it makes sense...
Ninety percent of the time this doesnt bother me, cuz just like I tend not to do sample editing in the FL playlist, I tend to avoid mixing down multis in FL. (Although I wouldnt mind being able to. I have like twenty GB of ram ffs.)
Anyway, as of this moment in FL10, handling long samples is literally the only thing I find lacking, and theres a good chance even that is my fault.
Oh, and if your projects are 'a mess' or you have automation being recorded when you dont realize it, etc... Maybe just pay attention and like magic that shit will fix itself.
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- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
You bet!ttoz wrote:Oh i see you've got mulab in your sig.liquidsound wrote:FL is a toy?
Go back to your room
nuff said.
(p.s. i am having a rib for a larf, so don't get serious)
And please note the order of the sig.
Maybe we should ask LEGO to make a DAW. That should be quite flexible for everyone, but for you probably would still be a toy
BTW, I think all of these are great toys and I love it!
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- Banned
- 73 posts since 6 Sep, 2010
C++ itself doesn't make matters easier. In fact, mac version have to be coded from carbon to cocoa. I don't think there is any magic wand in programing.LawrenceF wrote: Or perhaps someone should pick up a C++ for dummies book and code the perfect DAW themselves.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
well part of me doesn't want to post in this thread but...for me, and for me only I did agree with the op at one point in my life. However the truth is I have not tried to record audio into FL in years and many versions so some of the things might not be the same. FL is a scratch pad now on my laptop, that is basically what I use it for and I love it.
There was a period of time where I did my midi in FL and my audio in AA and ironically I finished more that way than I do now just using Samp but one has nothing to do with the other...it's just how things go in life.
There is nothing wrong with FL as a multi-track recorder, it's not FL it's me. It just wasn't natural for me back in the day and now years later I'm really set in my ways. I do not care for the school of thought that FL is a toy and basically I just dont read that part of people's post about FL.
It took me a while to go from FL's piano roll to Samp because I love FL's, once again it's the little things though that changed me. I use YT Indy on a lot of stuff, for one instrument I might use as many 10 channels. I loved when FL came out with the multi color for different midi channels (before yt indy, I was using v-sampler then) but the colors are just too close together for my eyes. Samp has the same feature but there is much more contrast in colors which is easier on me. I do miss FL's tools for midi like chopping and other things, that save a lot of time.
FL was my bridge from an HD recorder (Akai DPS-12, which was my gateway from tape to digital), I learned a lot from FL and it's one purchase I will never regret (actually two because I bought one for my son)...but I just can't seem to get in the groove recording audio into it. If I was a younger man at the time, didn't have 'my ways' I could see myself using just FL...but for me that just isn't the case...but I would never part with it even if I could
There was a period of time where I did my midi in FL and my audio in AA and ironically I finished more that way than I do now just using Samp but one has nothing to do with the other...it's just how things go in life.
There is nothing wrong with FL as a multi-track recorder, it's not FL it's me. It just wasn't natural for me back in the day and now years later I'm really set in my ways. I do not care for the school of thought that FL is a toy and basically I just dont read that part of people's post about FL.
It took me a while to go from FL's piano roll to Samp because I love FL's, once again it's the little things though that changed me. I use YT Indy on a lot of stuff, for one instrument I might use as many 10 channels. I loved when FL came out with the multi color for different midi channels (before yt indy, I was using v-sampler then) but the colors are just too close together for my eyes. Samp has the same feature but there is much more contrast in colors which is easier on me. I do miss FL's tools for midi like chopping and other things, that save a lot of time.
FL was my bridge from an HD recorder (Akai DPS-12, which was my gateway from tape to digital), I learned a lot from FL and it's one purchase I will never regret (actually two because I bought one for my son)...but I just can't seem to get in the groove recording audio into it. If I was a younger man at the time, didn't have 'my ways' I could see myself using just FL...but for me that just isn't the case...but I would never part with it even if I could
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- KVRAF
- 2750 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Raincoast of Grayland
hibidy wrote:Recording audio in fl is like trying to use midi in reaper.
Too late. You reaper what you sower. You will be paid a visit by a Belgian dark chocolate salesman. He will ask to see your MIDI piano roll. You will try to resist, but the aroma of chocolate will overwhelm your desire to post on KVR for months at a time. Meanwhile, you'll live to create dark, bittersweet dark, broody post-industrial tracks using only your mouse, your Phenylethylamine-attled brain and a former citrus fruit growers association application. You will gain pounds and lose friends and conclude that live audio is better served not recorded at all.hibidy wrote:Ooops, forgot to say that I'M JUST KIDDING
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
I've already gained all the pounds, I have very few friends and I hate reaper. But I remember recording audio in FL is like shoving an icepick in ones eyes and ears simultaneously, so. 
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- KVRian
- 528 posts since 17 Apr, 2009 from portland oregon
Just stopping by to say that FL's "razor" or "slice" tool in piano roll/playlist is INCREDIBLY useful. I remember it from the demo fondly. I am dedicated to ableton live, but oh how I miss it.
for those not in the know .. a rough example:
normal midi chord:
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Using the slice tool you can drag diagonally at any angle and slice down the line:
-\--------
--\-------
---\------
Leaving you with
..-------
...------
....-----
You might think "just edit each by hand, not that hard". But honestly, this is such a powerhouse tool for me. Just by playing a chord you can make perfect glissandos or strum patterns that aren't rigidly synced nor run through a midi vst. It's also amazing for drum programming, when you have multiple hits quantized to the same point and want a tiny bit of variance.
for those not in the know .. a rough example:
normal midi chord:
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Using the slice tool you can drag diagonally at any angle and slice down the line:
-\--------
--\-------
---\------
Leaving you with
..-------
...------
....-----
You might think "just edit each by hand, not that hard". But honestly, this is such a powerhouse tool for me. Just by playing a chord you can make perfect glissandos or strum patterns that aren't rigidly synced nor run through a midi vst. It's also amazing for drum programming, when you have multiple hits quantized to the same point and want a tiny bit of variance.
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- KVRAF
- 3528 posts since 18 Apr, 2002 from British Columbia, Canada
totally amazing toolquayquay17 wrote:Just stopping by to say that FL's "razor" or "slice" tool in piano roll/playlist is INCREDIBLY useful. I remember it from the demo fondly. I am dedicated to ableton live, but oh how I miss it.
for those not in the know .. a rough example:
normal midi chord:
---------
---------
---------
Using the slice tool you can drag diagonally at any angle and slice down the line:
-\--------
--\-------
---\------
Leaving you with
..-------
...------
....-----
You might think "just edit each by hand, not that hard". But honestly, this is such a powerhouse tool for me. Just by playing a chord you can make perfect glissandos or strum patterns that aren't rigidly synced nor run through a midi vst. It's also amazing for drum programming, when you have multiple hits quantized to the same point and want a tiny bit of variance.
'Claw' is pretty awesome too. 'chop' then 'claw' a long midi note for some nice effect.
Actually a lot of people, when speaking of the excellence of the FL piano roll, only mention the basics, but I think that the edit functions found in the menu (and available through shortcuts, obviously) are really remarkable as well. I miss those functions quite a bit when using other software.
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- KVRist
- 127 posts since 30 Sep, 2010
Edison is terrible compared to anything reaper or cubase can do. Orion can do everything FLStudio can do but much better.keel wrote:Do you know that there is edison?ttoz wrote:for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
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- KVRAF
- 5573 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
Agreed that Orion is a fine DAW but everything that FL can do? That's a little of a stretch. I love Orion Mixer.deathwish wrote:Edison is terrible compared to anything reaper or cubase can do. Orion can do everything FLStudio can do but much better.keel wrote:Do you know that there is edison?ttoz wrote:for serious AUDIO editing, FL is but a toy.
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