PSP's product description is really vague; copy and paste from the manual (also little info). That's disappointing from an otherwise stellar developer
PSP BussPressor
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- KVRian
- 1166 posts since 24 Jul, 2008 from England
Agree with the comments about it being soft and rounded. Seems better on the master followed by a limiter. I'm unsure how I'd use it elsewhere since punchiness has a higher priority than density in my music. BussPressor seems to be dense and soft. The punchiness (which is definitely there) is understated.
PSP's product description is really vague; copy and paste from the manual (also little info). That's disappointing from an otherwise stellar developer
PSP's product description is really vague; copy and paste from the manual (also little info). That's disappointing from an otherwise stellar developer
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
I want all of you guys that talk about "round" and "soft" and "digital" and "analog" and "organic" and all the other buzz words constantly being thrown around to stop what you are doing....collaborate to get EXACT SAME AUDIO CLIPS and put them in your host and A/B them NOW and make sound examples w/o dithering with a rendered wav file that is 16bit/44.1k! ZEeeeeeep! Don't even think......DO! Do it now.
I want to hear these things
I want to hear these things
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- KVRian
- 1401 posts since 9 Feb, 2012
Sorry, can't help you... I always use TPDF when reducing bit depth to 16. While that is true, but more seriously, I'd be happy to squash a communal clip with what I have, but with what settings? There's the rub.
I suppose you could try to match settings and gain reduction by numbers. The times I've tried it, I gave up before I came to any conclusion. Minimum attack and release at the same ratio and GR is a comparison I do for fun sometimes, but I think that tells you more about the minimum attack and release of each than anything else.
Then there's the knee, and whether it changes with the ratio. SSL bus comps are supposed to have a softer knee at 2 than 4, and almost none at 10. I don't know if it's actually wider lower or if ratio change is just inherently less, etc. I've started to graph some before and that's some tedious business.
When all is said and done, even if you've gathered a pile of data and clips, you're probably back at buzzwords again as far as interpretation goes. So, when I said head-to-head before, I'd be trying them alternatively on the same material until I got bored and see if I was left with any lasting impressions.
I suppose you could try to match settings and gain reduction by numbers. The times I've tried it, I gave up before I came to any conclusion. Minimum attack and release at the same ratio and GR is a comparison I do for fun sometimes, but I think that tells you more about the minimum attack and release of each than anything else.
Then there's the knee, and whether it changes with the ratio. SSL bus comps are supposed to have a softer knee at 2 than 4, and almost none at 10. I don't know if it's actually wider lower or if ratio change is just inherently less, etc. I've started to graph some before and that's some tedious business.
When all is said and done, even if you've gathered a pile of data and clips, you're probably back at buzzwords again as far as interpretation goes. So, when I said head-to-head before, I'd be trying them alternatively on the same material until I got bored and see if I was left with any lasting impressions.
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- KVRian
- 622 posts since 14 Jun, 2006 from Finland
Where have I said that you can't talk about the preset management?hibidy wrote:
it's ok to hate presets, it is not good to talk about poor preset management. Never mind that the preset manager and the presets are there. It is just not ok to be concerned with such things.
Why would you want the mousewheel to work properly? I mean, you have a mouse, right? Never mind that the it works going in one direction, I mean, that's good enough, isn't it?
It's TERRIBLE to be concerned about a GUI looks. TERRIBLE! You should only care about function. It's 1's and 0's people......it's not supposed to be pretty!
All I did was a simple question of whether it really matters that much in a product product where you can setup everything within a matter of seconds anyways? Instead of answering my simple question you just give me the "..........oh..........never mind.".
Do you usually just discuss with the people who agree with you on everything you have said?
You know, I agree with the criticism that you have about the Glue, but I don't see any reason why you should make yourself such a martyr of because what have been said here.
I don't have anything against a better preset manager. I actually use presets myself too.
Just not with the Glue because I already know quite well what I can do with it.
In my experience it's easier to adjust the few parameters to get what I need instead of browsing through a huge list of presets that need to be readjusted later anyways.
I like mousewheel support as much as the guy next to me. But I have never decided not to buy a product just because it doesn't have this feature. It might be an important feature for you, and you have the every right to think that way. But why do you have to make such a big noise because of it? This might be a cliché but for me it's the sound that matters most. And this is where both, Cytomic and PSP deliver. I guess all we have different priorities on what we expect from these products.
It's beyond my understanding why you want audio demos when you have already decided that you don't even want the Glue because of the reasons you mentioned before?
There is also something much better than A/B demos, you could try the product demos by yourself on your own material.
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
a. Not being serious AT ALL about the a/b stuff. I think after years and years and years and years of hearing stuff (including from me!) about "how" something sounds it's kinda funny sometimes.
At the other stuff, well, I was being a tad serious, but maybe with the attempt of a TNC delivery? Sorry bout that.
At the other stuff, well, I was being a tad serious, but maybe with the attempt of a TNC delivery? Sorry bout that.
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- KVRian
- 1401 posts since 9 Feb, 2012
Who is the guy next to you and how much does he want mousewheel support? Actually, the last time I had a pet rodent, my mousewheel support broke. I think hibidy is pulling our legs a little and making some points. It's just hard to tell the difference sometimes.
Back on topic, sort of, to be honest and over-preface, most of the compression I do can be done with just about any compressor. That was a sad realization for me, since I have a lot of compressors and seem to be getting more instead of less. Sometimes which one I use matters a lot though.
For me, that's where the appeal of the interface, the features, the ease of use, etc. come in. That's kind of where the original SSL bus comp came from anyway. Hey, it sounds pretty good and it's right there in the console. In fact, it uses the same VCA's as the master fader.
Back on topic, sort of, to be honest and over-preface, most of the compression I do can be done with just about any compressor. That was a sad realization for me, since I have a lot of compressors and seem to be getting more instead of less. Sometimes which one I use matters a lot though.
For me, that's where the appeal of the interface, the features, the ease of use, etc. come in. That's kind of where the original SSL bus comp came from anyway. Hey, it sounds pretty good and it's right there in the console. In fact, it uses the same VCA's as the master fader.
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- KVRian
- 622 posts since 14 Jun, 2006 from Finland
hibidy wrote:Usually, I just talk to myselffilter303 wrote: Do you usually just discuss with the people who agree with you on everything you have said?
I think you deserve this for that comment:
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- KVRAF
- 42529 posts since 21 Dec, 2005
Listen, I don't have time for all this crazy talk of mousewheels, car radios, rounder compressors and digital harshness. I have some serious shredding to do to catch up to this guy!
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- KVRian
- 622 posts since 14 Jun, 2006 from Finland
Ok, as long as you don't get his haircut
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- KVRian
- 1401 posts since 9 Feb, 2012
Nor does Frank anymore, on the top of his head anyway.
And yes, nothing quite says chickenbeak like SSL.
And yes, nothing quite says chickenbeak like SSL.
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- KVRAF
- 5913 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
The difference compared to the Glue is very subtle. Both are transparent but I would say that BussPressor reacts a bit quicker to transients and makes all a bit punchier.
I don't like the 2 knobs for dry and compressed. One mix knob like in the Glue would be easier to handle. There is a small bug with the mouse-wheel and the ratio knob.
Hmm.. I think that I don't need another buss compressor. The Glue is always my first choice.
I don't like the 2 knobs for dry and compressed. One mix knob like in the Glue would be easier to handle. There is a small bug with the mouse-wheel and the ratio knob.
Hmm.. I think that I don't need another buss compressor. The Glue is always my first choice.
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