Used sales of reason are SO high, it is time for props to take notice - serious topic, LONG post

[decalogue]

On the premise Ive owned it since version 3, and now Ill have to pay for individual bits and pieces to upgrade it instead of a new seasonal update with tons of stuff.

Yes, but it wouldn't be such an issue for you at all if those bits and pieces (which are optional btw) cost you $1 each, would it?

[Synthbuilder]

I got quite excited when all the RE stuff first started coming out. I even thought about upgrading my version of R5 to 6.5 to get in on it. But 6 is not the light weight add-on to your DAW (in my case Live any more. Since Reason 6 it's a fully fledged DAW on its own with all the additional CPU and RAM demands. It doesn't seem that work friendly to have all that bolted onto onto your primary DAW. It's just about OK to have the extra two windows in 5 but the three that are now used seems just a little too much.

But then I thought R6.5 and all those REs could be used to replace Live and R5. However, I was dismayed to see that internet access is required, that REs can't be sold and that the general price of the RE wasn't particularly favourable.

So I'm going to wait. I'll keep my copy of R5 for now. After all I do still use it and enjoy using it. Maybe when they've re-thought the resale thing and added a decent synth and sampler or two I may think about upgrading.

Tony

[VariKusBrainZ]

If the OP has gas whos fault is that. He buys a product and then discovers its ineffeciences. AN people trust this guys opinion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On the topic of the market place.....youll also have noticed that everything is sold well below the new price.

Live with it.In the last year I bought all the FXpansion stuff for full price. Shortly after I bought them they were put on sale!!!!! Everytime!!!

Thats life.
Why not go back to Logic as it "makes you wet" lol

[myrna]

A Reason user MUST believe it is complete: you have everything you need (this is the Propellerhead manthra). It is not true, of course, but their policy. Fanboys made me ban from PH forum because I was continuosly asking them "well, how can you reply sounds like omnisphere, pianoteq and absynth ones within reason" in perspective of vst support. That is why they introduced the RE thing: because of our vst support demand. They pretend in this way to make us "happy" and at the same time not to betray orthodox fanboys-against-plugins. And that is why we (i mean: the ones who have been asking patiently for vst support for 10 years) gave up and said bye bye. If you ask someone here "why you sell reason" the answer will be always the same: "because of no vst support". This is the only reason, alas. For what it offers it should cost half the price, or at least have vst support (like Orion, FL amd similar).

[liquidsound]

On the premise Ive owned it since version 3, and now Ill have to pay for individual bits and pieces to upgrade it instead of a new seasonal update with tons of stuff.

Yes, but it wouldn't be such an issue for you at all if those bits and pieces (which are optional btw) cost you $1 each, would it?

But they DON'T!
"IF" is a huge word which strips away reality.
I don't buy things I don't need or download every single free plugin just because they are free.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[DHR53]

Oh, and one more thing... I never felt like I did not have enough tools to work with when I used Reason. i.e. adding VSTs or outside instruments wasn't necessary to me. By using the built-in tools with the programs efficiency, you could layer and layer forever and do great stuff. Enter the combinator and building a single sound with 6 rack items (hidden in there). Out with the efficiency, and my pre-built templates were becoming so complicated, I had to write down what was going on... Great if your in to that kind of thing but myself, I didn't have that much time to stare into a monitor in the interests of being creative, er making music. Ha!

I say they go backwards, strip out all the crap and sell it for $149. make some of the stuff modules that can be added or something like that.

(p.s. it always drove me nuts that I couldn't audition sounds in the rack! I had to have the arrange window activated??? Why is that...}

[sheikh al Dudeilan]

Then of course i started hitting limitations like the lack of PDC, and unfortunately it's the very best plugins that have latency (Neptune, Vocoder,Softube Trident, FET, Polar, Ozone 5 limiter, etc) .
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Furthermore propellerheads have said they are actively listening and looking into the pdc thing (but seriously, an RE can't come soon enough.. the simplest way would be an RE that can put a negative sample value in on the track that has the latent plugins..it won't work on busses, but we don't HAVE to use these latent plugins on busses do we? ).
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At this point though i had been blind to the fact that 1) RE's were license that i would pay for and be stuck with forever, even if i moved on from reason one day, and 2) zero crossgrades from my vst versions were possible.

Maybe you haven't yet realized that Propellerheads is all about money milking, more so than any other music software company I can think of. All their products are made in such a way, as to bring maximum cash to them in the long run:
- basic features are delayed to later versions, so that old-time users are forced to buy updates
- for years, it was centered around commercial sample content, and is now pivoting to commercial plugin content. The 'not for resale' policy is aimed to keep people buying.
- their new activation/copy protection method is aimed at minimizing losses due to piracy and maximizing profits. Not that fighting piracy is a bad thing! But let's look at the bigger picture, ok?

I suppose the PDC will be left for the next paid version, or if a plugin [or a wrapper] is released, it will cost money.

Of course Reason, at version 6.5, is still NOT a real DAW, and is NOT going to be anytime soon.

Can you quantize note ends, for example? Last version I tried was v.5, and it couldn't do the trick!!! WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE???
Plus, the sequencer itself is a little bit clumsy, to put it mildly.

So yes, a lot of people do realize that Reason is expensive and will keep getting ever more expensive for them, if they keep buying paid updates*, and their hair will go once they realize how much money they have spent.

Please have a look at this
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/logic-pro-by-apple
and draw conclusions for yourself.


Edit: or commercial REs, or commercial sample content..., you get the picture.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[DHR53]

Oh and ttoz, I never upgraded my Logic 8 because I wanted to see what was out there before going any further with Logic. So I revisited Reason, Cubase and a host of smaller DAWs out there. My conclusion: Cubase is the best of the big DAWs at this point as far as development and what you get for the money... Seems to run pretty well on my Mac also but I'm not sure about efficiency. No telling what Apple will do with Logic, but I hate to give them another $200. for a program that really is 5 years behind the time. Still works, and is still efficient as hell, but doesn't seem like a forward move to me. Reason, well all that stuff we just discussed... I like MuLab if I could just get around a few things, but Cubase is sure looking like a deal with the new instruments and special offers.

[sheikh al Dudeilan]

Of course, they're in it for the money, as most 'pro' companies are, what I said was

"all about money milking, more so than any other music software company I can think of."

And that's a fact. We're NOT discussing whether it's a good or bad thing, or the Props' circumstances, either.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[sheikh al Dudeilan]

Sure, ttoz, you're free to disagree, all I'm saying is that Props business model is *probably* not suitable for a lot of people, both current and potential users.

And I'd really like to know, please tell me: Can Reason 6.5 quantize note ends? I don't want to download the demo to check for myself, you know...

[decalogue]

On the premise Ive owned it since version 3, and now Ill have to pay for individual bits and pieces to upgrade it instead of a new seasonal update with tons of stuff.

Yes, but it wouldn't be such an issue for you at all if those bits and pieces (which are optional btw) cost you $1 each, would it?

But they DON'T!
"IF" is a huge word which strips away reality.
I don't buy things I don't need or download every single free plugin just because they are free.

That's exactly my point. Most of the threads where people are bitching about Reason boils down to an evaluation of their own wallet status, disguised as an evaluation of Reason. It's too much "I can't or won't spend this money, therefore Reason sucks". Lame.

[kmonkey]

I think they are bad because of slow development (reason 6 became early after Record sale fiasco - every other previous upgrade has been developed long time with not so revolutionary features) and because they are claiming absurd things in their promotional videos. However there is ton of other awesome features and moves from them (Reason really isn't that bad) and since i am not really a reason user i don't know how my opinion is looking but for what is worth i think they are far from being good fellas tryin to make for living by producing cool software..