Daw that allows Time Signatures per Track?

[Beazlebug]

In Renoise it is quite simple to use different time signatures in a song, simply changing the pattern length and maybe lpb (amount of lines per beat & bpm which can be set with pattern commands)...the metronome will not change according to time-sig afaik.

I tried it last week and ran into something but can't remember what it was. Will mess with it more.

You can change the tempo and time signature per pattern as stated above, in addition the latest Renoise has the ability to add a 'phrase' per instrument. You program the phrase as you would do the normal pattern however it looks like (I could be wrong) that you can have a phrase set to a different time signature or tempo to the pattern in which it's contained. It's basically a pattern within a pattern, and you're not just limited to one phrase, you can have loads. I'm not totally sure how it all works as I haven't delved into it too much yet. Might be worth investigating.

[memyselfandus]

In Renoise it is quite simple to use different time signatures in a song, simply changing the pattern length and maybe lpb (amount of lines per beat & bpm which can be set with pattern commands)...the metronome will not change according to time-sig afaik.

I tried it last week and ran into something but can't remember what it was. Will mess with it more.

You can change the tempo and time signature per pattern as stated above, in addition the latest Renoise has the ability to add a 'phrase' per instrument. You program the phrase as you would do the normal pattern however it looks like (I could be wrong) that you can have a phrase set to a different time signature or tempo to the pattern in which it's contained. It's basically a pattern within a pattern, and you're not just limited to one phrase, you can have loads. I'm not totally sure how it all works as I haven't delved into it too much yet. Might be worth investigating.

Missed this. Thank you

[memyselfandus]

Anything else?

[kmatheussen]

Anything else?

Yes, you can have different signatures per sequencer track in Radium.

[memyselfandus]

So cool!

[memyselfandus]

Anything else?

Yes, you can have different signatures per sequencer track in Radium.

Are there any videos showing how to do this? I will mess with it

[kmatheussen]

No video. Just right click the sequencer to create another sequencer track, and put two blocks in the start of each track. Then you set different signatures for the two tracks by moving the cursor to the signature tracks of the blocks and press return, and after that set individual tempo so that all measures in the two blocks have the same length.

[LGK_Dude]

nevermind...

[memyselfandus]

Thank you!

[woggle]

bounce metronome does lots of polytemporal and polyrhythmic stuff - not a vst though but can be hooked in via virtual midi and can export midi tracks.

http://bouncemetronome.com/features

the easiest way to do polytemporal stuff in midi is to stretch a midi-as-metronome clip to whatever playrate you want and run multiple metronome tracks.

There really are no limits to what you can quite easily do now.

[autodidactic]

You can do this in Ableton via the scenes on the master track in session view. You can rename the scene and put multiple properties in via semicolon. So you could do something like this...

"Scene1" --> gets renamed to --> foo; 120bpm; 7/8;
"Scene2" --> gets renamed to --> bar; 80bpm; 4/4;
"Scene3" --> gets renamed to --> baz; 150bpm; 9/4;

This way when scene foo gets triggered, it will reset the global tempo to 120bpm and time signature to 7/8. When scene bar gets triggered, it will reset the global tempo to 80bpm and time signature to 4/4. When scene baz gets triggered, it will reset the global tempo to 150bpm and time signature to 9/4.

Also, you can leave out any property and it will just keep the current global setting for the property. So if you want to leave the tempo alone you can just leave the property out of the name. This has been a feature with Ableton Live since version 8.

[supernova777]

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has anyone made a video showing bitwig doing this multiple time signature stuff????
i havent seen bitwig in action really would like to see something cool? anyone got a good demo link?

[jancivil]

You can do this in Ableton via the scenes on the master track in session view. You can rename the scene and put multiple properties in via semicolon. So you could do something like this...

"Scene1" --> gets renamed to --> foo; 120bpm; 7/8;
"Scene2" --> gets renamed to --> bar; 80bpm; 4/4;
"Scene3" --> gets renamed to --> baz; 150bpm; 9/4;

This way when scene foo gets triggered, it will reset the global tempo to 120bpm and time signature to 7/8. When scene bar gets triggered, it will reset the global tempo to 80bpm and time signature to 4/4. When scene baz gets triggered, it will reset the global tempo to 150bpm and time signature to 9/4.

This is confusing to me. First of all, 'time signatures per track', is the goal in the OQ to have them going on at the same time? The first, the real problem for a DAW will be {global} tempo. If same tempo, less problematic to code, surely.

These scenes, are you saying that each has its own one 'global' tempo? Then it's not_global.
Unless Ableton can have more than one tempo simultaneously? That would be amazing.
If it's just happening during essentially another playback run, big deal. You can do that horizonally in any number of DAWs. It will be convenient in a certain way to just 'trigger' a scene, but the linear way of starting at a marker is as well.

I work with more than one stream of time, we can say tempo, simultaneously but there is a primary pulse. If you even do triplets, that's two different streams of time since it's 3 in the time of (some level of) 2 (rather than a simple subdivision, 2:1 is not real meaningful).
So, next maybe we'll try 5 in the time of 2, or 5 in the time of 4. There are various ways of visualizing these in different hosts. I have not spent much time with trying to see everything in a new grid, frankly. To obtain 4 in the time of 5: quarter note + 16th, for a basic grasp of the relativity of it all, though.


Bounce Metronome is downright mind-expanding. It's more a learning tool than a composition tool IME. While you may export its result as MIDI, if you were to import that into Cubase, Cubase is not going to know what the f**k just happened. I have Zappa's Black Page #2 as MIDI and it's perfectly visualized in MuseScore, which it was created for. Cubase does not deal in {writing, let alone reading} nested tuplets. There is a way in Logic, which I described in a thread here already if anyone really needs it.