Swingbeat; How do I do it?

[IncarnateX]

The fact you keep on calling this "swingbeatS" is beyond adorable.

I think the three of us trashed this topic enough and it was fun.

Peace to you both and keep on Swingin'

as if your use of the right name for it saves you from your own contraditions and makes my objections to them invalid.

It is just like the case with dissing Jan’s music: You really think it matters to your own rubbish? Your own contradition is completely independent of how idiotic we oldies are already, it stands as such. Fact, not opinion.

Let us take a view on your definition on SwingBlah once again (or whatever we call it), this time leaving out the contradictory appendix:

“It's all about samples and layers and layers of them.
Breakbeats”.

Do you really think this define the style as something different to any other style using samples and breakbeats?

It is like discussing with a school kid. You are running from the pain in your own ass by projection, sweetie.

[christian f.]

I gave many clues and examples related to the topic. You guys didn't.

I don't find it necessary to let myself and my ego go so far to namedrop my biggest long forgotten credits (irrelevant to the topic) like Jan did multiple times.
Even worse ... self promote my own non topic related music to prove MYSELF.

So yeah I had to make fun of that and of your total clueless and submissive behaviour.

[IncarnateX]

I gave many clues and examples related to the topic. You guys didn't.

Clues were contradictory and vague and have remained such and thus they are no clues really. Posting vid or wiki without further explanation did not help you.

Neither did the ad hominem shit.

I don't find it necessary to let myself and my ego go so far to namedrop my biggest long forgotten credits (irrelevant to the topic) like Jan did multiple times.

No your ego did much worse. Already shown.

So yeah I had to make fun of that and of your total clueless and submissive behaviour.

Yes, you are so superior that we did not even see that your contradiction was just a wind up and that you really did not beleive in the rubbish yourself.

We can land on this conclusion, all right, if you’d go trainsurfing now like a real Swinger og hip-hopper or whatever. The world is all yours.

[christian f.]

We can land on this conclusion, all right, if you’d go trainsurfing now like a real Swinger og hip-hopper or whatever. The world is all yours.

[IncarnateX]

On topic :
For those early signature Guy / Bobby Brown / Keith Sweat sounds :

Korg DDD 1
Yamaha DX100 Solid/Lately Bass Preset
Roland D550

And just for principle of it: Does it say whether they are played by free hand or which voices are programmed? If not, it does not take us any further.

As far as Bobby’s “We are back” concerns, bass drum sounds very tight and quantified in my ears, snare seems very precise too but the hats may not be in my ears. The beat has swing too but not that pronounced in my ears. Do not fancy the style, so I am not going further into it.

[IncarnateX]

Your hero Jan

FYI Jan and I have each our rhythmical training and do not need to put each other on a piedestal methinks. We have different tastes and preferences (e.g. how to count and feel them) but can communicate effortlessly about them. Comes with training and theory and avioding to open a discussion with a “nonsense” outburst based on vague arguments and vid links.

[jancivil]

The Bobby Brown drums, well, his one amounts to a pretty steady beat, givem there in the image (proof, which doesn't mean anything to the mindless posturing dipshit) but I have experience with looking at beats and rhythm in teh DAW and I can make the discernment, I knew what it was. There is a vanishing probability it comes from a 1989 drum machine.
But the point involves the idiotic assertion 'You clearly know nothing of the style' because it was all about layering of samples. You aren't providing clues, first of all to yourself. You cannot address 'So, where did samples come from', you just strut around like a pigeon knocking chess pieces over and shitting on the board as though in your "mind" to win the match.

"Swingbeat", I don't know the term, f**k me. If it is that it's a misnomer. If you can follow points, I definitely showed there is no swing. You can do the same if you have Cubase, Nuendo, Studio One 4, Samplitude or Reaper with a script (I forget the name) and you will see there is no swing value. It MAY be you're SO clueless about rhythm you don't know what swing even the f**k means.

You're mentally maybe 12 years old if this be any evidence of your powers. A moron. If you're literally 12, you're below average intellect in my assessment. I was no prodigy certainly but I could play all that shit by then. The Mary, Mary beat was my very start as a musician. You lot layer samples, confer my assessment of the pigeon's chess prowess. You've done shit.

[IncarnateX]

I am not that sure about that Jan. If I try to feel straight sixteen subdiv in this, I find that there are a smaller amount of swing added to them. Same deal with Bobby just slightly more pronounced; the staccatto effects of Bobby’s bass drums/perc compared to hats suggests to me it is made with a swing function that places itself in between 16 and 12 subdiv but tend toward the former in both cases

[jancivil]

On topic :
For those early signature Guy / Bobby Brown / Keith Sweat sounds :

Korg DDD 1
Yamaha DX100 Solid/Lately Bass Preset
Roland D550

The topic is only what gear if you think Producing is all there is to making something happen.
"How do I do it?" Again, it's a production question to you, the non-musician here.
New Jack Swing is the actual style in the track given. It is called that because of a slight tweak at the time involving a swung beat. It was new in 1988, Teddy Riley's innovation. There is not very much to it technically, but you can see it in the timeline I provided. The other thing doesn't have it, and I could give a shit what its supposed genre tag is.

self promote my own non topic related music to prove MYSELF.

Asshole, you made my music part of the topic and what only a truly delusional and profoundly ignorant person would think even belongs in an argument. I have nothing to prove to the likes or you, who only demonstrates a total lack of ability to follow what was said, which shows first of all you know nothing about the topic of swing, and including in the music you're so proudly an expert on. The OP presented a New Jack Swing track, which is actually a use of a feature in music known as swing. I never heard of the other thing and if it exemplifies "Swingbeat" the name of the style refers to something else than the rhythm in it.

I am, 100%. Look at the picture.
no swing.jpg
This is absolutely the problem ... you're looking at pictures instead of using your ears and feel.

Do/did you ever dance to music ?

No, I am not looking at pictures, idiot, I made the pictures to show facts about where the time is.
Swing time comes from a consideration of jazz rhythm, where at base the second eighth note is, in swung 8ths, the 3rd of 3 triplet eighths. When this is not present, according to the normative musical lexicon, it doesn't swing.

There is no problem in my feel or ears. What happened there is I tested a hypothesis and proved it. You're contemptible in your argumentation. You literally know nothing about the subject but you posture and posture. THEN you actually use the word 'competitive' against me. I don't compete with toddlers, you're desperate to compete and you think testosterone (and attitude) is enough fuel to do so.

[jancivil]

I am not that sure about that Jan. If I try to feel straight sixteen subdiv in this, I find that there are a smaller amount of swing added to them.

I am, 100%. Look at the picture.

no swing.jpg

The sub-grid there is "100% swing 16ths" aka 16th triplets. Compare it with the waveform, where you can see the kick and backbeat snare, If it was like the Bobby Brown track, the kick would have this swung 'buhBOOM' into the ONE, it's straight 16ths. Look at the grid in the orange Time Warp bar at top; it's the usual 16ths subdivision.

That the sub-grid is at the swing value is further illustrated by the pop-up 4.4.4.333 and a short vertical line right there over the waveform. There is nothing there in the audio, that's not a little subtle anything, there is nothing hitting there at_all. It never happens.

[jancivil]

I would have liked a better resolution but KVR isn't having it, it's hosting attachments and 200k is the limit.

That dotted eighth, sixteenth may feel similar to the drums in the Bobby Brown but it absolutely is not; & it's all exactly as that bar shows. I would not be surprised upon further investigation they looped it. But the track itself is quite gross, no mas, enough.

I was regularly performing live drums with a drum machine in the late 1980s. People did that.
I can also use the google and find reporting on it from the time, there is no evidence this was a bunch of Euro EDM infants layering samples, it was Teddy Riley, LA Reid et al with new beats, not recycling old beats. The assertion there is not only unsupportable, it's willfully ignorant.

[christian f.]

I am not that sure about that Jan. If I try to feel straight sixteen subdiv in this, I find that there are a smaller amount of swing added to them.

I'm glad you're the one actually listening and feeling it.

The main reason I pointed to the end from 5:00 mark to 5:15 is that it's very obvious there as you can hear the LAYERS more clearly.

[IncarnateX]

Jan, I am not as fit to read DAWs, but it still sounds like a sligth swing delay in subdiv in my ears. Have never tried to attain such a feeling myself but would not be optimistic to do it in straight 16. However if some could reconstruct it for me in 16, I would surely be convinced. Though, our ears seems to agree as far as Bobby concerns.

[christian f.]

I am, 100%. Look at the picture.
no swing.jpg

This is absolutely the problem ... you're looking at pictures instead of using your ears and feel.

Do/did you ever dance to music ?

[Aloysius]

Does dad dancing count?