Should I spend my $$ On Sonar X3 Or Logic X

[mondaydave]

I'm trying to work out what the most important things are to you though, i will read the topic again in case i have missed something, as i'd really like to help if i can.

Thanks again for your input TheoM, I have found your post helpful. You have made me review my perception of Logic being the possible perfect solution.

To answer your question I suppose stability has to be the main priority for anyone as nothing will stifle creativity more than fiddling with a computer trying to get it to work correctly while attempting to make music.

Ideally for me my DAW should offer a complete "In the box" solution as I like many others get easily distracted by fancy VST interfaces and new synths etc. - The time I spend twiddling knobs on instruments /FX without actually doing anything constructive is ridiculous - Because of this I plan on working solely with whatever comes inside of whatever DAW I choose and putting any 3rd party stuff I have to one side until I can get a good handle on what I'm at.

[whyterabbyt]

May be you should read the articles before provide a link in your post. Here is an excerpt from the article you linked above:

In fact, most or all of the registry is read into memory each time the system boots, so accessing the registry is nearly instant.

I didn't remove the relevant part of my post that you quoted in your response. I specifically said it impacts the boot time.

Actually, I did read the article, so please dont imply that I didnt; Im not in the habit of posting sources I havent read, funnily enough. What I actually overlooked was you switching context away from the OP's comments on generic performance to the specific case of boot time, which isnt what people generally are talking about when they're discussing DAW-related performance issues. Mea culpa.
Unless you're going to argue that its the factor with the most significant impact on boot time? Because I think that, the more important part of my argument, still holds, ie its not.

If you are implying that I have a misunderstanding how databases work, then you are highly mistaken. I was an IT architect and have designed database systems in Oracle and DB2400. So, I have a very good idea how they work.

I was stating that most people who use phrases like 'registry bloat' dont have a clue about what the registry is, and the article was posted to provide more information. If you feel that that somehow included you, so be it, I have no control over that. But you might want to remember that just because Im replying to your post doesnt mean that you're the sole audience for the content.

[spaceman]

My experience with logic is really really bad, I would never ever use it in this form.

Is that the form where one never actually bothers to read the manual, not even for a few minutes?

[whyterabbyt]

My experience with logic is really really bad, I would never ever use it in this form.

Is that the form where one never actually bothers to read the manual, not even for a few minutes?

you're new here, right?

[nIGhT-SoN]

My experience with logic is really really bad, I would never ever use it in this form.

Is that the form where one never actually bothers to read the manual, not even for a few minutes?

What has to do the manual with my experience? It's just not my cup of tea. For me it's not very intuitive. Simple as that. If it works for you, keep using it. I just stated my opinion, you are free to share yours. If it works for you doesn't mean it should work for everyone. Most Logic users are used to it and they find it normal behavior, for me it's not since I've used Studio One and it was acting like I expected. I haven't read the manual for Studio One and it's doing the job right.

[spaceman]

My experience with logic is really really bad, I would never ever use it in this form.

Is that the form where one never actually bothers to read the manual, not even for a few minutes?

What has to do the manual with my experience? It's just not my cup of tea. For me it's not very intuitive. Simple as that. If it works for you, keep using it. I just stated my opinion, you are free to share yours. If it works for you doesn't mean it should work for everyone. Most Logic users are used to it and they find it normal behavior, for me it's not since I've used Studio One and it was acting like I expected. I haven't read the manual for Studio One and it's doing the job right.

Well, for the same reason, I will never use AutoCAD. It's a horrible horrible program and I will never use it in its current form.

[satYatunes]

May be you should read the articles before provide a link in your post. Here is an excerpt from the article you linked above:

In fact, most or all of the registry is read into memory each time the system boots, so accessing the registry is nearly instant.

I didn't remove the relevant part of my post that you quoted in your response. I specifically said it impacts the boot time.

Actually, I did read the article, so please dont imply that I didnt; Im not in the habit of posting sources I havent read, funnily enough. What I actually overlooked was you switching context away from the OP's comments on generic performance to the specific case of boot time, which isnt what people generally are talking about when they're discussing DAW-related performance issues. Mea culpa.
Unless you're going to argue that its the factor with the most significant impact on boot time? Because I think that, the more important part of my argument, still holds, ie its not.

If you are implying that I have a misunderstanding how databases work, then you are highly mistaken. I was an IT architect and have designed database systems in Oracle and DB2400. So, I have a very good idea how they work.

I was stating that most people who use phrases like 'registry bloat' dont have a clue about what the registry is, and the article was posted to provide more information. If you feel that that somehow included you, so be it, I have no control over that. But you might want to remember that just because Im replying to your post doesnt mean that you're the sole audience for the content.

I am pretty much on context here. You think I am off-topic because you don't want to believe registry bloat affects system performance? But it surely does.
Section "How do the Registry Problems Affect Your System" in the below article explains it.

http://help.comodo.com/topic-73-1-147-8 ... ained.html

It's an integral part of O/S so it can affect the entire system.

[whyterabbyt]

I am pretty much on context here. You think I am off-topic because you don't want to believe registry bloat affects system performance? But it surely does.
Section "How do the Registry Problems Affect Your System" in the below article explains it.

Registry problems. That's a change in the goalposts. Any problems can theoretically have an impact on performance, but again, that's a different thing; problems are not the original context.

[satYatunes]

I was trying to explain how these common problems arise over a period of time and starts affecting the system performance and stability. Now after reading last two pages, it seems we are getting into specific registry problems whereas there are other factors that can affects system performance as well. Nevertheless, I don't think this discussion is entirely useless. However, if we continue it can derail the topic entirely. So I will leave it at that.

[Kraznet]

I had Sonar since X2 but never really used it much. But I thought I would upgrade to X3 anyway check out the new comping features and ARA.

One thing I've just realised is that it's not possible to do midi overdub loop recording with the option to automatically merge each pass. When working this way in Sonar you end up with several objects layered on top of each other and you have to merge them after-the-fact. Logic has had this merge option since the days of Emagic Notator. I'm somewhat shocked

[fluxmind]

Logic was very, very well thought out back in early 00's, just like SoftImage was
Both have suffered the same fate, both have been bought out by corporate giants
as a result both have suffered stagnation, but so did Cubase as well SoftImage's counterparts
Regardless of that, it's so well thought out that sometimes it's hard to believe that some of the features were already there in early 00's, so both share incredibly strong back bone as a result it's a pleasure to work with them. Unfortunately Softimage is being quietly step by step phased out, though it'll take about 10 years for it to happen, because Autodesk is afraid of users backlash, SO they're trying to sway new generations either to 3ds or MaYA, anyways it's off topic and it's just my opinion.
So Logic is a safe choice.

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[satYatunes]

@TheoM: Thanks for the insight into EDU version. If I knew I would have bought it instead of Sonar. Dongle and price was my concern. Good to know about this option.