Should I continue learning music theory?

[Tricky-Loops]

plus with or without music theory knowledge, phil collins is shit.
id rather listen to camels fart.

Well, as a drummer he's legendary and I do like some of his older songs. His newer pop songs aren't my taste...

[cryophonik]

And to say that his tracks are generic, is just stupid. Complexity has many ways of showing itself. And sometimes simplicity is the best.

I didn't say that his tracks are generic, I said that the chord progressions are. And, yes, simplicity is often the best approach, that's not a new concept or unique paradigm in music theory or any other art form.

[Ecto]

bt why bother? if he wants to not learn isnt that up to him?

Absolutely. But, left uncountered, the "music theory will ruin my creative ability" fallacy will perpetuate even more, and there will be more and more lazy, uneducated musicians out there. Do you really want to live in a world with nothing but SHM to listen to?

I have never said that. I have said that I'm afraid that it will limit my creative process without knowing that much about it. And i say so because i don't have any problems with getting my melodies and arrangement down.

[vurt]

plus with or without music theory knowledge, phil collins is shit.
id rather listen to camels fart.

Well, as a drummer he's legendary and I do like some of his older songs. His newer pop songs aren't my taste...

legendary and good are not synonymous.

[cryophonik]

I have never said that. I have said that I'm afraid that it will limit my creative process without knowing that much about it. And i say so because i don't have any problems with getting my melodies and arrangement down.

Alrighty then. Hey, regardless of our respective views, at least we're making music, right?

Horse beaten.

[Tricky-Loops]

plus with or without music theory knowledge, phil collins is shit.
id rather listen to camels fart.

Well, as a drummer he's legendary and I do like some of his older songs. His newer pop songs aren't my taste...

legendary and good are not synonymous.

I don't know why some UK people are against Phil Collins (maybe because of the media reports?), I like him and his older beats & grooves.

[vurt]

plus with or without music theory knowledge, phil collins is shit.
id rather listen to camels fart.

Well, as a drummer he's legendary and I do like some of his older songs. His newer pop songs aren't my taste...

legendary and good are not synonymous.

I don't know why some UK people are against Phil Collins (maybe because of the media reports?), I like him and his older beats & grooves.

i live in the uk, im not from the uk

and its because he bores the shit out of me. his post genesis(gabriel era) work is like sleeping pills to me.

[Ecto]

I have never said that. I have said that I'm afraid that it will limit my creative process without knowing that much about it. And i say so because i don't have any problems with getting my melodies and arrangement down.

Alrighty then. Hey, regardless of our respective views, at least we're making music, right?

Horse beaten.

You're damn right we are

Peace

[Tricky-Loops]

plus with or without music theory knowledge, phil collins is shit.
id rather listen to camels fart.

Well, as a drummer he's legendary and I do like some of his older songs. His newer pop songs aren't my taste...

legendary and good are not synonymous.

I don't know why some UK people are against Phil Collins (maybe because of the media reports?), I like him and his older beats & grooves.

i live in the uk, im not from the uk

and its because he bores the shit out of me. his post genesis(gabriel era) work is like sleeping pills to me.

I like mostly his Genesis songs from the 80ies, like "In the Air Tonight" or "Land of Confusion"...

[vurt]

plus with or without music theory knowledge, phil collins is shit.
id rather listen to camels fart.

Well, as a drummer he's legendary and I do like some of his older songs. His newer pop songs aren't my taste...

legendary and good are not synonymous.

I don't know why some UK people are against Phil Collins (maybe because of the media reports?), I like him and his older beats & grooves.

i live in the uk, im not from the uk

and its because he bores the shit out of me. his post genesis(gabriel era) work is like sleeping pills to me.

I like mostly his Genesis songs from the 80ies, like "In the Air Tonight" or "Land of Confusion"...

are you patrick bateman?

[thecontrolcentre]

[Tricky-Loops]

I don't know why some UK people are against Phil Collins (maybe because of the media reports?), I like him and his older beats & grooves.

i live in the uk, im not from the uk

and its because he bores the shit out of me. his post genesis(gabriel era) work is like sleeping pills to me.

I like mostly his Genesis songs from the 80ies, like "In the Air Tonight" or "Land of Confusion"...

are you patrick bateman?

"No Son of Mine"

[jancivil]

Your belief is bollocks. You're going to be limited by limiting yourself. Knowing more, having more of a palette, is expansive, not restrictive. Having more vocabulary is more, not less.

Thats just one way of viewing it, i would rather use the glucose in my brain to figure out a way of making things how i want them, rather than following some kind of rule set.

No, this is sensible use of language. Limited is limited; having more to work with is not limiting. That_is_nonsense. Expanding your tool set is not reducing your tool set. Knowing about procedures is not restricting to them. It's knowing how to get around, it's mobility and flexibility you would gain. You'll have more facility in figuring out what you want. You'll want more. It would enrich everything about this. You're telling a story to yourself: 'blah blah blah instead of following some kind of rule set'. There isn't any real meaning to that, that is not how creative musicians proceed knowing these things. You're just grasping at words and tossing a salad out of them. You don't know what you're saying.

What you're doing, applied to another art, let's take writing, would be 'I prefer only knowing some words, and this 'syntax' you're all on about isn't for me. I feel more free this way.

No. Writing is not anything like music, apart from both are languages.
There is nothing right or wrong in music.

You merely dismiss what's said. You make sentences that are nonsense. You just granted that music is like writing, in the same sentence following your insistence they are nothing alike!

The analogy is a fair one. You think you don't need anything but chords. I spoke of the weight of chords, the voicing of chords, the specific weight of an instrument in a part of a chord, the leading of voices/writing of parts connecting the chords will give you more facility with the language of chords. BUT NO! You think you know what you want and that's where your brain power will stay. It's so obtuse. You somehow have deluded yourself into a notion that having less knowledge - of a field where there is indeed a type of grammar and that does work in terms of syntax, as you granted IS A LANGUAGE - is going to make you freer, and will lead to uniqueness.

I couldn't care less what you do, but you're using the board to share these notions and it needs to be countered. As you have said yourself, you're afraid. You're convincing yourself to remain benighted.

Like I said from the outset to you, do you feature people going up in the Production Techniques forum and telling people how learning techniques is limiting you? It's

[jancivil]

what i dont understand is why person a not wanting to learn theory upsets person b so much?
no one is stopping person b from learning or forcing person b to listen to person a's output.

That's dull to the point of obtuse.

This seems to me the one place at KVR that tempts somebody to come in and tell people how knowing about the subject is a bad thing. I could not possibly care less what 'ecto' does.
Do you feature that the only people reading the thread are the people posting? I feel a light should be shown on that shit.

What is the topic title, John? Should_I_continue_learning_music_theory? Let's review what happened: a number of people made nice arguments for yes. The OP said, ok, so now I am proceeding to study it.

Thread is necromanced and 'ecto' finds an opportunity to set it back to 'why should I learn this stuff.'. For the world: knowing stuff is good for you.

Furthermore, why say 'person a is upset'? Who is 'person a'? Who's upset? I am happy making strong arguments. This bothers you? Oh well.

[jancivil]

I think music is perhaps the only art form where there are people claiming that being ignorant is better, and knowledge cuts freedom.
Pathetic. It would be funny if it wasn't sad. That's perhaps because of that that we are exposed daily to massive doses of sh!t in the form of sound

And telling that literature is different from music

Yes, and as to 'vurt' and "why is 'person a' upset". (This is me very slightly irritated by the way. I have a lot of energy and I don't take dope all day.)

The notion "I prefer my ignorance/I know what I want" is a vicious circle. I think 'ecto' is not so bold as to inflict the results onto a space I have to share, but a lot of this shit is people proceeding exactly like this, and making shit from their ignorant guesswork, and it takes up space in the world out of a dire lack of musical education (and a downward trend in society as to understanding I believe), in that it's materially supported and celebrated. People of no achievement in music become filthy rich because no one is the wiser. People that would think avicii is doing great music, cannot have ever been exposed to great music, or have so much as the rudiments of music to go by. What that does, though, is validate the next person that doesn't know shit about it who wants to fill those shoes and if they fellate the right set of people well enough, they perfectly well CAN become the next sub-mediocrity in this scene of drug-addled mental infants.

Society, humanity is not a lot of atoms floating about independently. It is a field. It is being polluted, this shit takes up space.