Cubase 8 Release Date?

[Compyfox]

The thing is, you still will be either way.

Technically the dot upgrades (paid updates) are actually Beta for the next major version already. Else they wouldn't throw that much stuff into it and then merely "finetune" in the next "major" version while throwing in one "main selling feature" - or move on to Nuendo altogether.


To stop this nonsense with shrunk release times and improvement for the worse, we should actually speak with our wallets and not upgrade. The sad reality is however, that people will upgrade regardless. And those that are not happy with the releases/features/treatment of bugs have to burn for this (dare I say) mistake made by others.


EDIT:
We have it October by now. Still a couple of audio events left. But I think by November/December we'll see a new announcement if they stick to the 1-year release cycle.

[standalone]

It is very simple, let me explain. If Cubase is released before Nuendo Cubase users are just beta testing for Nuendo. If it is the other way around Cubase users are left behind.

So, no matter what .. the users will bitch.

Fortunately, the cycle is the cycle. Cubase, then Nuendo. But, the time to release between the two has been shrinking. So, beta testers you will be I guess. Or, you could show some restraint and not buy C8 until the point releases ... then you wouldn't be a beta tester.

Or you could do what I do: wait two or three months for the demo.

[Compyfox]

If they are that fast to deliver one.

Remember, the C7 demo took quite a while (several months), while the 7.5 one was out after 1,5 months. And then, it's still filling up your Elicenser.

Not to mention last time I checked a Steinberg demo, the "x-launches or 30 days" were reduced by 2 decrements with each launch instead. So let's say 200 launches left resulted in 198 launches left after I started the official Cubase 7 AI/LE/Elements Demo. And with each consecutive relaunch, additional 2 values were missing. Way to go.


There is always a catch.

[jdieks]

I actually really liked the Cubase 7.5 release and couldn't wait for the Nuendo 6.5 release. Mainly for track versions.

Edit: oh yeah.. and the instrument tracks with multiple out.. that's a workflow upgrade for me that's worth 10 upgrades

[cubic13]

As already said, I guess that C8 will show its head circa next december, as C7 nearly two years ago.

Wondering what will be implemented, even if I made the switch to Reaper when C7.5 was released. As Compyfox said, the best way to make changes really happen is to vote with our wallet. That's what I did : enough was enough and I left cubase ship at the 7.0.6 stage, which was still a huge disappointment, even after six C7.0.x updates. Actually, the only two things I miss are the score editor and the Retrospective record feature.

So, I no longer expect fixes for broken/useless features (RCE, Generic Remote, Mixconsole erratic and unresponsive behavior, Mediabay, VST 2.x support, endless host and project loading time...) or UI regressions (the horrible white masked cursor, several appearance options removal, MixConcole click fest, keyboard shortcuts...).

But, as previously said, I'm wondering what they are capable to implement, this time, while leaving all the issues remaining as presently. To which point will they push the 'Implement, don't fix' paradigm ? Anxiously waiting for the answer...

[juffi]

As already said, I guess that C8 will show its head circa next december, as C7 nearly two years ago.

Wondering what will be implemented, even if I made the switch to Reaper when C7.5 was released. As Compyfox said, the best way to make changes really happen is to vote with our wallet. That's what I did : enough was enough and I left cubase ship at the 7.0.6 stage, which was still a huge disappointment, even after six C7.0.x updates. Actually, the only two things I miss are the score editor and the Retrospective record feature.

So, I no longer expect fixes for broken/useless features (RCE, Generic Remote, Mixconsole erratic and unresponsive behavior, Mediabay, VST 2.x support, endless host and project loading time...) or UI regressions (the horrible white masked cursor, several appearance options removal, MixConcole click fest, keyboard shortcuts...).

But, as previously said, I'm wondering what they are capable to implement, this time, while leaving all the issues remaining as presently. To which point will they push the 'Implement, don't fix' paradigm ? Anxiously waiting for the answer...

According to a Video on musotalk (german Music/production Website) Helge Vogt mentioned they are working on the Project window, but didn't specify what exactly. Could be that long awaited docking of Windows. Another most wanted Feature in the steiny Forums is real bounce in place . Quite interesting that Helge Vogt also mentionend that visibility of tracks and so on they were "inspired" by Pro Tools. Maybe we look what Pro Tools 11 has to offer and we can expect this and that? Just a thougt.

[Daverock]

can somebody please f**king tell me why no other daw manufacturer can copy cubases ease of workflow and why cubase has for the past few years been a piece of unusable shit? thanx.

Running Elements 7 now - I have a few quirks I don't like so much - but it really works well.

Halfhearted track template through this track presets thingy - but C75 does not have this either.
You have to enter plugin selection dialog and go up the list and select "NO VST plugin" to remove it. You cannot just click and mark in plugin bay and press Delete like any other daw I saw.
Once applied a track or vst preset you cannot remove it - it's stuck there. You can only select another preset.

Talking to support they did not even know what I was talking about - the field for selecting in Inspector was removed in 7.5. I had to send them screendumps or they wouldn't believe me.


Cubase is running really smooth - so upgrade might happend....

To remove a plug in insert click select it and drag it away from the slot to remove. Saves the menu selection. It's like pulling it towards the project window

[lfm]

Halfhearted track template through this track presets thingy - but C75 does not have this either.
You have to enter plugin selection dialog and go up the list and select "NO VST plugin" to remove it. You cannot just click and mark in plugin bay and press Delete like any other daw I saw.

To remove a plug in insert click select it and drag it away from the slot to remove. Saves the menu selection. It's like pulling it towards the project window

Thanks.
Learned a couple of things that track template exist - but is called track archives and exist in 7.5.

But Cubase really feels outdated somehow. I can understand developer that left and started Studio One out of frustration possibly. All types of track that must remain i certain folders on top level - fixed in S1 etc.

Also learned that bugs remain even 7 months and new updates after they were knows issues - like preroll timeformat that only work if main ruler is certain format. New users having to experience the same bugs over and over and taking productive time from them equally - and it's known? So I really expected a product in that price range(up with Avid) would be well maintained - but seems to be flaws in all camps regarding this - maintenance, maintenance and again maintenance.

[Daverock]

I use all the big name daws, lucky through educational discounts and exposure through work. They all are great and I've spunked so much cash on them even with discounts. Somehow I'm always pulled back to cubase. They even wrote to me the other day welcoming me back. I think without much effort it could be perfect for me but annoying issues persist while they fanny around with new features.

Flickering transport line. Jesus it never was there and now I have an epileptic fit watching it.

The hard coded win 7 project window theme that falls foul of the win 8 theme. Come on steiny are you blind?

The mixer, as progressive as it is I'd love the option to use the old one. That can't be too hard.

Stupid windows that have been forgotten in the always on top feature. So you have to have beat designer full window to work then you can't drag it to the project window. Duh?

No flipping short cut for bounce in place? Sound designers despair at that. Yet steiny give us a chord track that I've used no times.

Give us modulation sources so we can make wibbly wobbly fart noises and effects like bigwig.

I'm getting ranty now but steiny need to listen threads like this. For me it's the best out there but sheesh they ignore the user base a lot

[Compyfox]

As Compyfox said, the best way to make changes really happen is to vote with our wallet. That's what I did : enough was enough and I left cubase ship at the 7.0.6 stage, which was still a huge disappointment, even after six C7.0.x updates.

The sad reality, and this is what was also mentioned in a more recent Musotalk Podcast (if we bring that up), is that the users that "jump" a version are then burned by the not really transparent upgrade fees (which go up with pretty much each consecutive release these days). So you might as well buy Cubase new, and with certain online shops that sell below MSRP, you might even pay as much as a "regular" upgrade.


Here the competition didn't sleep.

As examples:

• Image Line has the "Lifetime Upgrades" and finances itself through the VST/VSTi sales (something that Steinberg is doing aggressively now as well)
• Cockos Reaper has the fair offering that if you don't make 20grand a year, you pay less and you still get two major versions for that price - though you might have to live with certain issues (Cockos is still just a small team)
• Presonus StudioOne made it right IMO. You did not(!) pay for a dot-update (in this case, 2.6), you got it for free. But if you wanted the new extra features (which will surely be a part of S1 v3, whenever that will hit), you had to pay extra - but on a modular basis (read: not a full bundle, but you could select what you really wanted)

Why is it that these companies can work with their customer base and still survive several years without a paid update, while companies like Steinberg and AVID can not and rather ask for an "upgrade" every 6 to 12 months?

It reminds me of several years ago, before Steinberg was bought up by Yamaha, and before that by Pinnacle (as the same happened there): prices went up, a certain user base was being scared off with the "new and better route". As if they want to pick out the good from the bad seeds. Which is IMO an elitist behavior.


I mean... look at the following:
Write Steinberg that there is an issue with their VST3 standard creation in either of their hosts, and they write back "it's the 3rd party developer fault".
Write Presonus or Cakewalk that there is an issue with their VST3 implementation, and they say "give us a couple of days, we'll take a closer look"

Now you tell me what's wrong with those two sentences.



Cubase 8 really needs to blow me out of the water to shell out 200EUR for an update. In the end, you paid 250EUR either way. Because if you jump from v7 to v8 you pay that much, and if you jumped on 7.5 (which really improved things, while 7.x was simply dropped!) and then go to v8, you still pay as much.

Let that sink in for a minute.
You don't save anything - you keep on supporting their set "new, better and more fair" course.

[lfm]

Give us modulation sources so we can make wibbly wobbly fart noises and effects like bigwig.

[lfm]

Here the competition didn't sleep.

Why is it that these companies can work with their customer base and still survive several years without a paid update, while companies like Steinberg and AVID can not and rather ask for an "upgrade" every 6 to 12 months?

And for competition maybe most of all - without hardware locks!!!!!

I've seen posts defending hardware locks with that
- Waves was cracked in no time

But they are still in business and they seem not to need higher prices to compensate - rather the opposite. They attract new customers - not pushing them away.

Competition have entry level products - well, Cubase Elements is quite good I must admit, so there is development in this field. Also read at Steinberg forum that before end of this year something new regarding licensing is about to happend. So maybe Cubase 8 is starting point for this.

Avid is missing a real such product that can actually be used for a minor project. ProTools Express or LE or whatever - cannot be used for anything close to a real project.

If hardware locks really worked and gave better sales - then they should be able to lower prices - not the opposite.

My conclusion is - it is about greed, nothing else.

[SJ_Digriz]

My conclusion is - it is about greed, nothing else.

Greed is such a "collegian" view.
Greed is purposefully scamming people out of their money behind their backs (Wall Street style).

These are businesses doing their business, offering products at a price and cost that they find work for them. Value vs cost has nothing to do with greed. The idea that businesses have to make everything $5 so that everyone has equal access is sophomoric and actually doesn't work.

[lfm]

My conclusion is - it is about greed, nothing else.

Greed is such a "collegian" view.
Greed is purposefully scamming people out of their money behind their backs (Wall Street style).

These are businesses doing their business, offering products at a price and cost that they find work for them. Value vs cost has nothing to do with greed. The idea that businesses have to make everything $5 so that everyone has equal access is sophomoric and actually doesn't work.

Greed can be driving force behind many things, most things not illegal at all, not only obvious scams and fraud.

If a market works and there are more products with comparable features, prices usually goes down to maintain market share.

Waves responded properly to this situation and changed policy completely.

So we are waiting for Steinberg and Avid to do the same.

About doing well, are they?
I mean shareholders greed-index - are they happy faces all over?
Avid got serious warnings to be unsigned from stockmarket due to failing mandatory reports for a long time aso - a year ago was it? Haven't check if they behaved since that. But this kind of behavior is red flag for investors.

As a customer you have the power to do a couple of things - buy it and support current price policy, or not. Every purchase is a statement.

[Compyfox]

Again, the statement seems to be "what you do is okay, take my money".