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Mojo42 · Post by **Mojo42** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:44 pm

@Griso12:
If you open up the unpacked Eclipsis Folder you see 6 folder as 1_osc, 2_filter and so on and you see a dll which calls Eclipsis.dll

You have to take the Eclipsis.dll out ouf the folder and put it directly into the plugin folder of your DAW. The dll is the root file. If you simply put the whole folder which contains all (the 6 folder and the dll) into the plugin folder of your DAW then the root file (Eclipsis.dll) is missing. It not belongs into the folder it has to be put there where all the other dll`s of your VST`s are. This means your DAW doesn`t find it, because it probably is not where it should be.

Check out the VST Plugin Folder at your DAW. You will see that there are a lot of dll`s below (the root) and above there are all the folder with Presets, Effects and so on. You simply have to separate both from each other.

Edit: For make it finally clear: You have to put both (but separately) into your VST Plugin folder:
1: The folder with the 6 folders because this are the presets and effects and
2: The single Eclipsis.dll (but separate)

I explain this so exactly because I also had the same problems when I started to deal with all that stuff and I have had a very hard time in learning all this lol.

randomelement2` · Post by **randomelement2`** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:09 pm

TrojakEW wrote:I'm reading carefully all your suggestions so keep them coming. Will try implement stuff in new update.

Well, I asked earlier if you can load wavetables, and it looks like you can't, so that would be my suggestion (even though the wavetables it comes with look pretty much like the sounds I'd be interested in, that is, non-electronic)

Mojo42 · Post by **Mojo42** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:34 pm

@AutoMotto and Maomoondog: You`re welcome

In the meantime I tried to find a way to add the init preset to the program list, but I was not succesful

There is no empty slot on the program list and I definitely don`t wish to overwrite any factory preset. I also tried to put the init preset directly into the preset folder (which is empty) at the Eclipsis. But this also not works for reasons I don`t understand. It is an ecl. file and so it should work. Maybe the developers have got an idea how to solve this problem.

So: The only idea I have got for the moment is to save the init preset simply as vst preset file. For those who are new to this hobby I have made a couple of screenshots.

1. Load the init preset as explained at my earlier post.

2.Click on this symbol:

3. Select "Save Preset" (sorry this is in german here: Preset speichern)

4. A black window will open up and then you have to name the preset. You can write "Init (Mojo)" or Init xyz or Peter, Paul and Mary, whatever you wish lol. Then click on the "okay" button.

5. If you wish to use the preset simply click again of the symbol and select "load preset" here in german "Preset laden"
You will find it according the alphabetical order among the letter I like Init.

This works way faster than to load the preset again and again from your own folders and this is also the way you can quickly save and load all your selfmade presets. If you wish to delete a preset from this list you have to find the VST Preset folder on your hard drive disk. In my case it calls "VST3 Presets" the Eclipsis folder into it calls "vstzOne" and it is saved among my own data.

Now we can start to make cool sounds

I just can agree to the other comments: It is unbelievable that the Eclipsis is actually totally for free, this "thing" has actually 6 LFO`s!!! There are some synthesizer for a lot of dollars which only has 2 LFO`s lol. I checked out the modulation matrix in the meantime and this also looks very extensive. My dear god in heaven this really makes me happy. Can we donate somewhere?

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 11:55 pm

You can donate on the download page :
http://www.vstzone.sk/

Scroll down to the Buy Us A Beer button

Mojo42 · Post by **Mojo42** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:22 am

thecontrolcentre wrote:You can donate on the download page :
http://www.vstzone.sk/

Scroll down to the Buy Us A Beer button

Done

I guess this is enough for a couple of sixpacks

But don`t drink it while you are producing new VST`s okay? Otherwise something like Cubase will be the result

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 1:02 am

ok, i had a little go on thatone, here´s my very short review:

pros:
- gorgeous gui

- a lot of very useful tables

- chamberlain filter implementation (but see cons)

- great lfo section

- great arp (though it´s not an arp at all,see cons)

- great randomisation features

- great fm, including osc´s as source in the matrix (!) though see cons

- deadeasy to use

cons:
- biggest ever con is, that to my awareness (pls someone correct me if i´m wrong) it is _not_ possible to use an/or any env on the cutoff nor the resonance. imo a nogo, it´s mandatory to me, which pretty much rules out eclipsis for extensive use.

- no filter useradjustable input level (would have great influence on the chamberlain filterfeedback drive)

- env decay/release shapes are all linear. i for the love of my life do not understand, why synthedit/flowstone/synthmaker developers don´t take care of such a crucial aspect. linear decays/releases sound horribly unnatural. at least i would wish for the user to be able to adjust the curves manuallyfrom +exponetial over linear to -exponential

- gui knobs and sliders are a little fiddely to be edited in their behaviour - this can be way better done in synthmaker/flowstone

- chamberlain filter cutoff (i normally love the chamberlain filter implementations) restricted to around 8khz. this is a nogo, especially when using resonance. it should go all the way up, i wouldn´t mind for oversampling. same goes for the 303 filter, which stops even lower in frequency, as well as for the zone filter, which drops it even lower than the 303 filter. a real shame. the scream filter is also stopping at around 8khz, and the resonance/cutoff knobs are opposite - reso is controlled by the cutoff knob and vice versa. on top of that the cutoff knob, which controls the resonance is inverted - when max, reso is gone, when min, reso is full. on the resonant filtertype, the cutoff knob is doing nothing until value 67.

- 303 filter sometimes has no resonance (bug?)

- phase sliders on audible oscs don´t do anything to the phase of them to my awareness and they´re all freerunning (though they have effect on fm).

- fm osc always free running (should be in sync with the audible osc or phase useradjustable from free to phase 0-max, like the audible osc)

- in polyphonic mode glide starts always from below the new pitch of the note, rather than using the last triggered note pitch

- cpu spiking a lot

- nasty clicks sometimes (maybe the voice management?)

- uneditable max range of velocitys on amp and fm depth (see below)

- no ptch envs for osc/fm osc and fm depth (see below)

- no envs/velocity/midi cc´s availlable in the matrix as source. lfos are there - why no envs/velocity/midi cc´s?

- the arp looks like one but actually isn´t one. while it´s a grat tool the way it is, i would wish for a polyphonic arp/stepsequencer - the way it actually looks like at first sight.

resume:
this could be a _very_ powerful synth. if it would behave like the gorgeous gui made me believe, this would be the first ever synthmaker/flowstone/synthedit synth, that really makes a tremendeous difference. it has its potential, but as is, i fear it won´t get overly used - which is quite a shame, cos done right it would have the power to lead the freaware realm or even to rival commercial products.
at last i would like to strictly point out that this review is not meant to offend at all. i hope it´s taken as constructive critism.

TrojakEW · Post by **TrojakEW** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:48 am

brok landers: Thanks for your review and suggestions. This cannot be offending in any way and I welcome post like this. Sure the synth is not perfect we still learning our stuff.

As i said I read everytnhing carefully and will see what can be possible to change in future. Some things can be harder like testing midi cc since I dont have any hardware controler for that and I cant afford to buy that. I first need to upgrade my deathward 14 years old computer or I will not able to do any changes at all soon

bibz1st · Post by **bibz1st** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:39 am

Brok
Surely its these little foibles that give instruments their own unique character otherwise it will start getting like the car industry where they all start looking and behaving the same, what do you think ?

Sound Author · Post by **Sound Author** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:18 pm

Aside from Brok's in-depth critique, my only gripe is that it's referred to as a "wavetable" synth. We have a nice big collection of waveforms, but no way to cycle through them or morph between them. Of course, this is not so much a gripe as it is a general observation.

The table-lookup oscillators of yesteryear may not have been able to morph between single-cycle waveforms in real-time, but today's wavetable synths commonly have that feature, so that's what I've grown to expect from any modern instrument described as a "wavetable" synthesizer.

I would feel more comfortable referring to it as an FM synth ... and if it's any consolation, the frequency modulation behaves beautifully btw. Sexy little scope, too

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:35 pm

Sound Author wrote:Aside from Brok's in-depth critique, my only gripe is that it's referred to as a "wavetable" synth. We have a nice big collection of waveforms, but no way to cycle through them or morph between them. Of course, this is not so much a gripe as it is a general observation.

The table-lookup oscillators of yesteryear may not have been able to morph between single-cycle waveforms in real-time, but today's wavetable synths commonly have that feature, so that's what I've grown to expect from any modern instrument described as a "wavetable" synthesizer.

I would feel more comfortable referring to it as an FM synth ... and if it's any consolation, the frequency modulation behaves beautifully btw. Sexy little scope, too

it`s a common "mistake" to think a wavetable synth can scan wavetables. the correct term for that would be "wavetable array scanning synthesis" (ppg, microwave, wave, etc). a lot of synths nowadays are based on wavetables, which actually oly means, that the osc waves are created by doing fft-ifft. that´s just it. in eclipsis this technique has been enhancedly used to create tables from short snippets of samples. to me not a bad thing, imo more synths could benefit from such an approach.

brok landers · Post by **brok landers** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:38 pm

TrojakEW wrote:brok landers: Thanks for your review and suggestions. This cannot be offending in any way and I welcome post like this. Sure the synth is not perfect we still learning our stuff.

As i said I read everytnhing carefully and will see what can be possible to change in future. Some things can be harder like testing midi cc since I dont have any hardware controler for that and I cant afford to buy that. I first need to upgrade my deathward 14 years old computer or I will not able to do any changes at all soon

great to hear. if you need someone to test the midi cc stuff, let me/us know, i´m willing to help and i´m sure others here are, too... that being said, a small, basic midi keyboard doesn´t cost an arm and a leg nowadays...

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:17 pm

WOW!! FUN!! EASY!! PRETTY!! COOL!! AWESOME!!.....I could do this all day....thanks for this great little synth!!

Maomoondog · Post by **Maomoondog** » Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:20 pm

If this synth were a woman I would marry it

Z3R0T0N1N · Post by **Z3R0T0N1N** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 1:11 am

really cool synth - I finally got some time to try it out, and I'm quite impressed. Lots of fun!

Sound Author · Post by **Sound Author** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:07 am

brok landers wrote:It`s a common mistake to think a wavetable synth can scan wavetables. the correct term for that would be "wavetable array scanning synthesis".

Yes, like I said...

Sound Author wrote:The table-lookup oscillators of yesteryear may not have been able to morph between single-cycle waveforms in real-time, but today's wavetable synths commonly have that feature, so that's what I've grown to expect from any modern instrument described as a "wavetable" synthesizer.

While the term "wavetable array scanning synthesis" might be the more accurate way to describe a synth that can scan wavetables, I've never heard anyone refer to Serum or Zebra 2 as a "wavetable array scanning synthesizer". Maybe that's what we should call them, but we don't.

However, I think we're splitting hairs at this point. Eclipsis is a great synth that could use a nip-tuck here and there. Regardless, I'll enjoy making some patches for it

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