KVR Audio

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:26 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
4damind wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:
4damind wrote:Hmm... I remember that I bought Saurus but never used it again
Is it because you were so annoyed that every time you want to toggle the LFO or Osc shape you have to click multiple times to cycle the shape to the one you want?
I'm not sure. I remember there was something with this Tone2 "pseudo-analog" sound I don't like. Maybe there was also a bit too much overlap with similar synth. But this synth was not expensive so I keep it in my plugin folder so I can say "I have one Tone2 plugin"

But I don't think that I buy version 2 and cannot see the "must have" features. Instead I'm looking forward to the release of FXpansion Synth Squad 2... But this is a different topic
The sound was... well just not that good. I'm a fan of Tone2. Love Gladiator, Electra 2... Nemesis... I still use Warmverb. But the sound of Saurus... never liked it. So, hopefully a revamped engine will improve it a lot.

Speaking of Electra 2, version 2.1 is out today with some cool enhancements including some kind of vocoder.

fluffy_little_something · Sun Apr 12, 2015 7:57 pm

Am demoing version 2...
I wonder why they did not include a real equalizer instead of those 5 fixed high- and low-cut options each, which are hidden away in the Config menu.
I still miss a clear difference between the 12db and 24db LP filters.
They should get rid of the keyboard altogether and move stuff from the menu and matrix to the main interface.
They should tie the browser's exit button to the exit key on the keyboard.
In terms of envelopes Sylenth still blows Saurus (and Hive) out of the water.

Freaqpeak · Post by **Freaqpeak** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:28 pm

Uh oh. Not again...

Can anyone explain how these two can be true at the same time?

- Enhanced sound quality because the synthesis engine has been completely reworked

Ok. So it sounds different, or even better, than version 1.

- Saurus2 is 100% downward compatible with all previous versions

That cannot simply be true if Saurus2 have a different sounding synthesis engine.
If it sounds different then it's NOT 100% downward compatible - by definition!

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:31 pm

They may be including the Saurus 1 synth engine for backwards compatibility when you load an old preset. I know this is what Camel Audio did when they changed the filters in Alchemy. The old filters were still available for the old presets.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:36 pm

cnt wrote:Uh oh. Not again...

Can anyone explain how these two can be true at the same time?

- Enhanced sound quality because the synthesis engine has been completely reworked
Ok. So it sounds different, or even better, than version 1.

- Saurus2 is 100% downward compatible with all previous versions
That cannot simply be true if Saurus2 have a different sounding synthesis engine.
If it sounds different then it's NOT 100% downward compatible - by definition!

It's not like you hear another sound only the sound quality is improved. Since when downward compatibility failed because the sound quality itself was enhanced? Sorry but this is pointless.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:38 pm

I'm still too busy messing with Rayblaster to really consider this upgrade. Rayblaster and Nemesis are WEIRD synths, bit of a plasticy sound starting out, but you can edit away from that, and if you know what you're doing you can really make some MAD sounds with them, proper crazy shit. But unlike a lot of synths, you really need to learn the synth and know what you're doing to get anywhere. Especially with Nemesis which has quite a learning curve IMO.

KingTuck · Post by **KingTuck** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:45 pm

I like Saurus. I doubt I'll pick up this upgrade though. It seems sweet IMO, but I'm happy with the Saurus feature set for the time being and as such I'll stick with it.

What I have is good enough, I need not something better!

Freaqpeak · Post by **Freaqpeak** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:57 pm

bmanic wrote:They may be including the Saurus 1 synth engine for backwards compatibility when you load an old preset. I know this is what Camel Audio did when they changed the filters in Alchemy. The old filters were still available for the old presets.

True! But I highly doubt it - if its true that the whole synthesis engine is rebuilt...

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:04 pm

cnt wrote:I highly doubt it - if its true that the whole synthesis engine is rebuilt...

It's rebuild to have a "better analogish sound" - You simply understand the whole statement wrong.

Freaqpeak · Post by **Freaqpeak** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:14 pm

It's not like you hear another sound only the sound quality is improved. Since when downward compatibility failed because the sound quality itself was enhanced? Sorry but this is pointless.

If you think again you may understand.

Improved how exactly? What does "enhanced" even mean without any further explanation? A couple of more dB squeezed out from the built-in limiter on the output? A hardcoded EQ on the output which gives the presets higher volume in bass frequencies? Internal oversampling?

If it sounds different when you load up an old project where you have already setup a good mix, where volumes are good and channel EQ's, Compression, "enhancer-plugins", etc - they will sound different in version 2. Correct? Otherwise it is not "enhanced". If you make settings according to how a specific sound sounds to fit in a mix - then you will have to change the settings of the channel if the original sound is changed.
You will probably have to re-work the channel settings. And therefor it is NOT 100% compatible.

So. Once more: if it sounds different to the original sound, then it is another sound - BY DEFINITION. Subtle, "enhanced" or whatever.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:23 pm

Why you should open your old projects with Saurus1 and replace it with Saurus2 if you so concerned that it sounds different? Your whole conclusions make no sense, is not practical. They optimized the sound quality which is great and they deliver the option that you can load the sounds you saved with v1 thats all. You still have v1 and v2 but let the people who enjoy to keep working with their saved presets from v1 in v2 the possibility to do so. I can't see anything bad about it even if i try hard to find something.

Freaqpeak · Post by **Freaqpeak** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:28 pm

murnau wrote:
cnt wrote:I highly doubt it - if its true that the whole synthesis engine is rebuilt...
It's rebuild to have a "better analogish sound" - You simply understand the whole statement wrong.

Let's quote Tone2:

The synthesis engine has been completely reworked and offers a more analog sound.

Hehe. Why do I even bother?

Please explain to me how ANY THING in the world can be "enhanced" or "better" without being different to the original source?

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:29 pm

i already answered your question above your post.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:31 pm

murnau wrote:Why you should open your old projects with Saurus1 and replace it with Saurus2 if you so concerned that it sounds different? Your whole conclusions make no sense, is not practical. They optimized the sound quality which is great and they deliver the option that you can load the sounds you saved with v1 thats all. You still have v1 and v2 but let the people who enjoy to keep working with their saved presets from v1 in v2 the possibility to do so. I can't see anything bad about it even if i try hard to find something.

I don't think you're understanding what he's saying.

If you load your V1 presets into a V2 engine and the V2 engine is different, then the V1 presets will not sound the same.

Now, if you can run V! and V2 side by side, which is doubtful since I am sure they probably share the same dll name (electra and electra 2 do) then there's no problem. You load V1 presets with the V1 engine and the V2 presets with the V2 engine. Since that will probably not be possible then any V1 presets will not sound exactly the same loaded into V2. They can't IF V2 has in fact been upgraded to a better/different sound.

I don't understand why this is so hard to follow?

FYI, I don't own Saurus so I don't have a horse in this race, but I can understand the concern of going from V1 to V2 if the presets won't sound exactly the same.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:02 pm

I understand very well, i think you both don't understand what i said. First it's typical for Tone2 to release enchanced v2 with downward compatibility and it's only fair to resume that most people like the enhanced quality of their v1 presets then.

It's not practical to say something like it been said here: Now that the presets sounds "different" because they enhanced the sound the downward compatibility they keep makes no sense.

I enjoy to hear my presets with a optimized v2 engine and if i want to work on my old stuff i can keep v1 tho i really, really didn't had the impulse to do so in the past: I didn't found they sound really that "different" only better, warmer, bigger.

How someone try to blame a dev for the possibilty to load v1 preset into an optmized engine is beyond me. I forget it's KVR from time to time.

Since i have ElectraX and Electra2 and it was exactly the same advert and my presets really don't sound "different" in a way that i had to rework everyting i'm afraid the scenario which some try to build here doesn't exist in reality.

Tone 2 - Saurus 2 is available