KVR Audio

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Wed May 10, 2017 7:19 am

Kalamata Kid wrote:Reason has no ARA for Melodyne so I will not bother with it.

As for Sonar for me it is only missing
1. A modular environment such as Multi-Instruments of S1 and Patcher of FL Studio
2. Midi editing comparable to Cubase but will settle for midi editing improvements.
3. Work flow improvement but then again all will be well if I only spend more time with it.

Sorry,
Almost forgot the OP
Yes Cubase is the King of Midi!
see
Which DAW is MIDI king?
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=445626
and
Which sequencer has the BEST midi implementation?
Starts in 2005 but much info in 2016
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=135

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Wed May 10, 2017 5:53 pm

Thread was necro'd so this is for general reception.
If 'heavy MIDI' involves a lot of controller lanes, editing CC, here's a key thing for me, and why I never wrote in Logic.
Cubase will place any new lanes in the piano roll (and you can set up workflows where notes editing and controllers editing are separate workflows). I mean you can have all of your controllers - all of your MIDI to edit - visible at the same time.
Logic will only allow one controller lane at a time in the piano roll.

Apparently still true in Logic X:
ask audio: Logic X multiple cntrlr lanes workarounds

(Step Editor fka Hyper Editor and Piano Roll not connected)

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Wed May 10, 2017 6:04 pm

5Lives wrote:
LawrenceF wrote:To me, an example of what might otherwise be heavy midi editing (if you don't have functions for it) is transposing an entire song by musical key, selecting all the midi clips in a 40 track song and changing it from Eb to C in 5 seconds because the vocalist can't reach the highest notes. Not just a simple transpose but truly conforming to another musical key.
Any examples of a DAW that does this well?

How is it that this is a single solvable problem? The difference between transpose down 3 semitones (or up 9?) and 'truly conforming to new key' may not even be a thing. It may involve problems for transposing instruments (eg., small clarinet in Eb) if you're creating a score but I don't know how that's solely a problem for a MIDI editor. It may be you have things which now exceed the range of string instruments, possibly true of sample instruments as well as real ones. In 5 seconds? Really? If it's a score editor problem of proper display of accidentals exceeding the key signature, Cubase is as smart as its operator, it's not AI.

I have experience in the real world with this but I don't understand the use of this statement. What DAW is this magical? It's a context-bound problem.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:37 pm

No idea if that quote is from me and I don't plan to re-read this years old thread to find out if so or the context it was in.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:39 pm

WTH?

Will be hard to believe this is not a shill.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed May 10, 2017 10:43 pm

At least i know now that i should better stop using Cubase, because Reason is so superior to it.

Googly Smythe · Post by **Googly Smythe** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:01 pm

chk071 wrote:At least i know now that i should better stop using Cubase, because Reason is so superior to it.

Not sure if I should be

or

Oh, I know

Hehe.

Googly Smythe · Post by **Googly Smythe** » Wed May 10, 2017 11:05 pm

As for transposing, it's all midi note numbers until you want to produce a score, so mention of Eb clarinets et al is of no matter.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu May 11, 2017 5:04 pm

LawrenceF wrote:No idea if that quote is from me and I don't plan to re-read this years old thread to find out if so or the context it was in.

It is, and the context is in the quote, that you said all of this will have 'otherwise' been heavy MIDI editing. And then someone asked what DAW would facilitate this. MORE CONTEXT:

5lives wrote:I just tried it in Cubase and though they have the function...it doesn't work. The results are poor

Which I could have just ridiculed.

Googly Smythe wrote:As for transposing, it's all midi note numbers until you want to produce a score, so mention of Eb clarinets et al is of no matter.

Which was the whole point, only illustrating it in detail.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Thu May 11, 2017 9:04 pm

I have no desire to debate something I said here two years ago here, or even something I said yesterday for that matter.

I'll leave that to you guys... the perpetual debating of everything. I'm sure there was a valid point to my comment but that was 2015 and frankly, I don't care or remember anymore, and things may not be the same anymore.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu May 11, 2017 10:10 pm

Heh. Could you at least read what I wrote first? I'm not arguing _anything_ with you. I responded to the post of someone else, in fact. To reiterate: the guy responding to you interpreted what you said and stated that Cubase does a poor job (of its "function", "truly conforming to another musical key."). I was really clear there. And I'm reasonably certain that the transpose function simply works. I sought to clarify muddy waters and not only you but another had to reply having not quite read the things.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Fri May 12, 2017 12:01 am

Like I said, it was a shill.

Reason is quite a capable host, but it's not "better" than anything.

The "groove" options are fine, but it gets increasing tough to apply it to everything or make changes to a whole project later. Cubase (in the 10 days I've demoed) seems to be able to do this more eloquently.

And the option is not available for audio, so there is that.

Which of the following DAWs best for heavy MIDI editing & arranging?