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tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:40 pm

Weird product to me.

The demos make it sound quite poor compared to the admittedly more expensive pro options, but it's not cheap enough to not be compared to the likes of EW and Spitfire either.

The demos really are quite bad considering the cost.

erikgyle · Post by **erikgyle** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 10:43 pm

I love Miroslav 1 (and the bits of it that made it into ST3)! The Expr patches are to die for, and I've used them practically in every track I've done!

That said, the ST3 engine has been a disappointment. Keyswitching is there, yes, but no automation (some parameters have MIDI control, but MIDI is painful and imprecise). The default effects make for great product demos, but must be constantly deactivated in order to mix effectively. The UI with the VST 3 version is slow to appear. And all the updates so far have been geared toward adding more revenue streams for IK (Custom Shop), rather than improving the product.

Given the breadth of offerings available, I will pass.

Peter - IK Multimedia · Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:00 pm

fmr wrote:
Peter - IK Multimedia wrote:
murnau wrote:
BERFAB wrote:$199 for an upgrade might sound a bit steep, but gearpoints and jampoints could discount that even further.
I'm pretty sure that jampoints are not possible during presale.
They are usable for preorder, and longtime Miroslav users are given 50 bonus JamPoints to use toward this (or other IK products) as an extra loyalty bonus.
I tried today, and neither did I get the 50 bonus jampoints nor was I able to deduct any amount. So, something is wrong in the process.

You should now see the bonus JamPoints available to you. Note to everybody, you do have to log on to your IK User Area to get the JamPoints (which is the experience BERFAB had relayed - you should see a window notifying you of this when you log on to the IK User Area).

erikgyle · Post by **erikgyle** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:01 pm

tehlord wrote:
The demos really are quite bad considering the cost.

True - they sound very hastily made. One does not orchestrate by playing chords with a "string section" patch. And if "passion" and "expressivity" are the selling points, then perhaps mostly staccato demos are not the way to go. And let's not forget, drowning a recording in reverb does not make it sound better or more "real".

Skorpius · Post by **Skorpius** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:10 pm

BBFG# wrote: (Since only nine of IK's available 64 bit plugins work on my systems and the rest continue to crash on opening).

Just out of curiosity: Have you tried uninstalling all IK plug-ins and re-installing them after making sure you have downloaded the latest versions? It's pretty strange that some plug-ins of one manufacturer load correctly while others don't. Sounds like there's something wrong with your system. Maybe you should try a cleaning tool for the registry as well.

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:12 pm

The jampoints are working now. I am going to wait, though. I am interested, but I have a whole lot of stuff already, and I just ordered one of the new 5k 27" i7 iMacs with significantly better than standard specs.

Speaking of which, is the GUI Retina ready?

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:20 pm

It looks pretty cool. I've got a bunch of old 32 bit IK plug ins and oddly enough finally got around to installing Miroslav, which barely works standalone in OSX Mavericks. I guess I qualify for the $200 upgrade, but I'm curious? owning two dedicated string libraries (KH Concert Stings 2 and Cinestrings), Cinebrass; as well as Garrison GPO, Komplete Ultimate. The areas I'm most curious about are woodwinds, percussion and choir, not necessarily the areas where complete orchestral libraries put a lot of effort. Wondering what the new content is in those areas? I've got strings covered for what I do anyway. <more strings is always good though.

A side note: and don't take this personally. The only reason IK gets so much flack is the weird upgrade policies with Jam Points VS just flat out owning a license to a previous version. IK offer the most confusing upgrade system out there. That and honestly the fact that you still sell 32 bit plug ins with no upgrade path except to buy Sample Tank SE. There should be huge red flags on the web page, which is IMO badly designed. Trying to look at sample content for MP2 I get a pop up video for iRig... I still don't know if anything is missing from SE besides sample content compared to Sample Tank 3, can't find a comparison on the web site..

Also I'm sure this is way beyond your control, but why does IK sell their libraries outside of Sample Tank? They're all based on it anyway. SE should be the default plug in for all the separate libraries outright, no compatibility issues in the future etc. When Sample Tank 4 comes out the upgrade path wouldn't be this confusing or possibly expensive etc. For IK as well really. As it stands I need to get a copy of SE for Sample Moog, Sample Tine, and Sonic Synth, plus decide if I want to upgrade to MP2. So if the upgrade gives me Jam points I can use them towards SE... can't just buy SE and MP2 at the same time, and don't know which order would give more Jam points...

Anyway just to sandwich this, I like the sound of the choirs in Miroslav as well, any updates to them?

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:46 am

Skorpius wrote:
BBFG# wrote: (Since only nine of IK's available 64 bit plugins work on my systems and the rest continue to crash on opening).
Just out of curiosity: Have you tried uninstalling all IK plug-ins and re-installing them after making sure you have downloaded the latest versions? It's pretty strange that some plug-ins of one manufacturer load correctly while others don't. Sounds like there's something wrong with your system. Maybe you should try a cleaning tool for the registry as well.

Trust me, this is not a direction anyone wants to go in this thread...

Nothing is wrong with my system.

Astralv · Post by **Astralv** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 1:55 am

Miroslav Philharmonik 2
UPGRADE
from SampleTank 3, SampleTank 3 SE and Miroslav Philharmonik

Download Only
$299.99
$199.99

I have all 3 of these upgradable items, and I still have to pay almost what full version cost? $29 discount is not much. Not happening here.

bigcat1969 · Post by **bigcat1969** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:34 am

Hum kinda explains the decision to release Sampletank 3 without new orchestral samples now doesn't it?

braj · Post by **braj** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 2:43 am

BBFG# wrote:
Skorpius wrote:
BBFG# wrote: (Since only nine of IK's available 64 bit plugins work on my systems and the rest continue to crash on opening).
Just out of curiosity: Have you tried uninstalling all IK plug-ins and re-installing them after making sure you have downloaded the latest versions? It's pretty strange that some plug-ins of one manufacturer load correctly while others don't. Sounds like there's something wrong with your system. Maybe you should try a cleaning tool for the registry as well.
Trust me, this is not a direction anyone wants to go in this thread...

Nothing is wrong with my system.

I would make sure you have the most up to date license manager and plugins, I saw some weirdness when they were integrating all the different products into the same custom shop model. Uninstalling and reinstalling isn't to fix your bad system, but IK's wonky install.

Fleer · Post by **Fleer** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:08 am

Here's one happy IK customer. Love their ST3 rompler, their AmpliTube4, their T-RackS4 (and soon 5). And I always loved their Miroslav.
On top of that, they've got great support and Peter's here to guide us when we're astray.

JonSolo · Post by **JonSolo** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:14 am

Buy with Gear Credits if you have the upgrade option. $40 cheaper.

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:06 am

Just to put a little perspective on the price, I just thought I'd remind everyone that those of us of a certain age can remember the original Miroslav V. orchestral sample collection being sold, back in the '90's for between $2,500 - $5,000. No, really. Those same unlooped mono samples are, I believe, the basis for IK's Miro Philharmonik instrument.

The same technology that we now all take for granted is responsible for significantly lowering the cost for producing this type of high quality gear, essentially levelling the playing field for all musicians. And, that same technology has also given us many more choices as consumers. As mentioned above, competition for your gear dollars is fierce. Developers like IK need to be responsive, or they will fall by the wayside. More competition generally gives us better products.

-B

Elektronisch · Post by **Elektronisch** » Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:26 am

I think alot of you guys are being ridiculous complaining about upgrade price, its really fair. And alot of people are way too harsh at IK without any real reason.

erikgyle wrote:I love Miroslav 1 (and the bits of it that made it into ST3)! The Expr patches are to die for, and I've used them practically in every track I've done!

That said, the ST3 engine has been a disappointment. Keyswitching is there, yes, but no automation (some parameters have MIDI control, but MIDI is painful and imprecise). The default effects make for great product demos, but must be constantly deactivated in order to mix effectively. The UI with the VST 3 version is slow to appear. And all the updates so far have been geared toward adding more revenue streams for IK (Custom Shop), rather than improving the product.

Given the breadth of offerings available, I will pass.

I agree here.

And all the updates so far have been geared toward adding more revenue streams for IK (Custom Shop), rather than improving the product.

That was my biggest dissapointment.

I like the UI and sound colletion, but this and bugs in the past couple weeks ive encountered just made me loose faith in IK. I worked on a project and next day opened it. In there i had 3 instances of Sampletank 3 and a bug i was afraid came out of nowhere. This happened before already but before the new updates, i was hoping this wount happen again but it happened. All instances of Sampletank 3 were gone silent. I had to reload all the instances and all the instruments again. No matter what i did in preloaded instances (tried reloading the instruments again), no sound was produced, just silent. And i mention this happened before, so i ditched that and just bought Komplete 10. I had good expierience with Kontakt libraries, they just work. I dont know why St 3 is so buggy here, maybe because im one of the few FL Studio 12 users who owns Sampletank?:)

Anyways, i think new Miroslav will have great sounds but the demos do not show that off. Just a word of advice: hire a real profesional composer who actually a profesional not on a paper but with musical work. Alot of latest audio demos for ST3 and including Miroslav just sounds really bad and do not show potential

There are plenty of other companies that are a good examples and show how a product can shine (Native Instruments, Spitfire Audio, ReFX ect).

Good luck!

IK Multimedia announced Miroslav Philharmonik 2