KVR Audio

Ixox · Post by **Ixox** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:15 pm

DevonB wrote:Sounds pretty damn good for a grand... errrr. I mean $1200, so I can buy 2 200 gig drives to put the library on! Too bad they only have 300 gig hard drives as the largest right now!
Devon

The full library will be available in september...
Seagate should propose 400Gb drive in Q3.

Timfonie · Post by **Timfonie** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:51 pm

Another 400gb hd from Hitachi:
http://www.pcmag.com/print_article/0,17 ... 093,00.asp

Pricewise you'd better go for two 200GB drives.

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:57 pm

I've just gotten EWQLSO gold - just thought I'd mention it, because it sounds absolutely fantastic. For a true symphonic orchestra sound the use or release samples instead of reverb + close mic samples works much, much better. No comparison.

Ixox · Post by **Ixox** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:34 pm

EWQLSO gold seems to be a very nice library...
I hope you'll post some work you'll do with it.
I think that the problem with the gold is that you will want the platinium soon...

For the moment i don't know wether i prefer the samples to have the hall ambiance in them or to be able to set one.
The second solution may sound worst but you have the choice of the ambiance.
Kirk hunter library will propose close AND far mic for every instruments, which is one of the reson why it's so big.

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:30 pm

No point in getting Platinum as far as I can see - my computer just wouldn't run all those layers. For non realistic classical I have GOS and GPO, so I'm pretty much covered now in all areas. So long as the hall sounds good the KH library could sound great.

blixa · Post by **blixa** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:27 pm

Ixox wrote:A free demo gig file, 1 octave and only 1 dynamic layer but 65 MB !!!
Sounds GOOOOOODDDDD !

http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/sbw.html

Ixox, i am unfamiliar with the .gig format... (and it's a fBITCH to google for it), so, i thought i'd ask you, before heating up my dial-up. is there an easy and FREE way to turn .gig files into wavs?

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:55 pm

blixa wrote:
Ixox wrote:A free demo gig file, 1 octave and only 1 dynamic layer but 65 MB !!!
Sounds GOOOOOODDDDD !

http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/sbw.html

Ixox, i am unfamiliar with the .gig format... (and it's a fBITCH to google for it), so, i thought i'd ask you, before heating up my dial-up. is there an easy and FREE way to turn .gig files into wavs?

the chickesystems prog maybe?

Ixox · Post by **Ixox** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:54 am

blixa wrote:
Ixox wrote:A free demo gig file, 1 octave and only 1 dynamic layer but 65 MB !!!
Sounds GOOOOOODDDDD !
http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/sbw.html
Ixox, i am unfamiliar with the .gig format... (and it's a fBITCH to google for it), so, i thought i'd ask you, before heating up my dial-up. is there an easy and FREE way to turn
.gig files into wavs?

No FREE translator/player as far as i know.

The cheaper one is :
http://www.extranslator.com/en/info.htm

But did they stop selling it for there "new product" ?
I cannot find the "purchase" page on their site...

blixa · Post by **blixa** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:35 pm

Mindless and Ixox, thanks for your replies.

i went to seek out chicke systems (or whatever they are called) and it does seem from the info on that site that their freeware software can convert GIG to sf2. ... of course, i will probably not know for sure until years from now, when i'll have completed the download of the violins sample.

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:27 pm

It seems like a good deal for buying in bulk. It's almost like you're buying his raw archives though. There are a lot of individual treatment things not to mention looping that is done in the sound design part for orchestra libraries. I find it hard to believe it was done to the same extent he did for his ILIO-released String libraries. It's simply too much work at 350 gigs to look at and treat every sample... being realistic, this is most likely unlooped and could include unwanted artifacts because the library is so large I doubt one person had consistently gone through every sample as carefully as what was done on those ILIO-release string libraries. I could be wrong though but this is what I thought as a sound developer myself.

However, this may not matter if you are just looking a sheer massive amount of material and if you are skilled yourself at sample editing, tweaking, cleaning, looping, tuning etc. then it could be a good deal just to have archives to work with.

I also doubt it contains much documentation as well at this price. If you've seen the Vienna docs then you know what a 250 gigabyte library can be like in printed form. It's pretty big!

All of this is an educated guess though. We won't know until someone has it. I have the Vienna myself and I would buy this thing too but not until I see someone has it first. Call me skeptical, but I'd like to see someone happily have it in their hands and tell me it is really worth it.

It's funny because at that size you are really talking about wanting to dedicate serious hard drive space and I tend to be fairly precious about that to a degree. Bigger isn't always better. Also loading times can get out of hand.

By the way, I took off my sig for this post because I am talking as a user and a developer here frankly with you guys (particularly for the ones that know me). I am not jealous as a developer or anything like that. I don't have a 350 gig library myself so it's completely out of interest and head scratching that this intrigues me enough post my thoughts. It also amuses me for some reason. It's absurd if you think about it. 350 gigabytes??? Why? This makes me think it is a direct response to VSL. "Mine is bigger". That is my impression. You really think anyone would be doing a 350 gig library if VSL wasn't already 250 gigs? Let's be logical about it.

Still, it doesn't matter. I can totally see people (Devon, Ixox) that liked his solo strings or other stuff getting this. Why not I guess? Ilio made his libraries popular and now he's going direct to save you money by delivering CDRs on a spindle. It is what it is. For the right person this is probably a great deal.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:38 pm

Squids wrote:It seems like a good deal for buying in bulk. It's almost like you're buying his raw archives though. There are a lot of individual treatment things not to mention looping that is done in the sound design part for orchestra libraries. I find it hard to believe it was done to the same extent he did for his ILIO-released String libraries. It's simply too much work at 350 gigs to look at and treat every sample... being realistic, this is most likely unlooped and could include unwanted artifacts because the library is so large I doubt one person had consistently gone through every sample as carefully as what was done on those ILIO-release string libraries. I could be wrong though but this is what I thought as a sound developer myself.

Even his solo string library has 'bugs' in it, but quite honestly, fixing small problems in Giga is pretty straight-forward. But I still look at this - $5490 for VSL, or $999 for SWB. I'm pretty positive it won't come with documentation, but I'm happy to save $4491 for it to not come with docs.

But what am I talking about? I'm *STILL* waiting for the docs for VSL for the Pro set myself! Ok, I have the PDF, but not a printed manual still, and I bought it back in August! Anyway, I digress. His sound quality reputation is stellar, and he tends to make his libraries topheavy. Oh well. Bigger is not necessarily better, but I will look forward to checking it out in the future, that's for sure.

Devon

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:44 pm

DevonB wrote:
Squids wrote:It seems like a good deal for buying in bulk. It's almost like you're buying his raw archives though. There are a lot of individual treatment things not to mention looping that is done in the sound design part for orchestra libraries. I find it hard to believe it was done to the same extent he did for his ILIO-released String libraries. It's simply too much work at 350 gigs to look at and treat every sample... being realistic, this is most likely unlooped and could include unwanted artifacts because the library is so large I doubt one person had consistently gone through every sample as carefully as what was done on those ILIO-release string libraries. I could be wrong though but this is what I thought as a sound developer myself.
Even his solo string library has 'bugs' in it, but quite honestly, fixing small problems in Giga is pretty straight-forward. But I still look at this - $5490 for VSL, or $999 for SWB. I'm pretty positive it won't come with documentation, but I'm happy to save $4491 for it to not come with docs. But what am I talking about? I'm *STILL* waiting for the docs for VSL for the Pro set myself! Ok, I have the PDF, but not a printed manual still, and I bought it back in August! Anyway, I digress. His sound quality reputation is stellar, and he tends to make his libraries topheavy. Oh well. Bigger is not necessarily better, but I will look forward to checking it out in the future, that's for sure.

Devon

Yep. That is what I thought fans of KH stuff would say. It's funny because this is not REALLY a budget library but it is... I mean, even the hard drives will cost some dough. But the no frills thing has it's appeal to those who just want it is as cheap as possible even though it will still cost $1,500+ with the HDs. Plus, if someone has skills like you then you can tweak it up how you need to.

By the way, it took me two DAYS to install VSL. Patience is required.

I guess "no frills" also applies to the web design too.

Just kidding. Hopefully he'll take some of that Ixox pre-order money and invest in some web design though. You can't sell libraries at that price with your next door neighbor's FRONT PAGE skills.

(I'm kidding! Also, Ixox, you rock dude.)

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:52 pm

Squids wrote:Yep. That is what I thought fans of KH stuff would say. It's funny because this is not REALLY a budget library but it is... I mean, even the hard drives will cost some dough. But the no frills thing has it's appeal to those who just want it is as cheap as possible even though it will still cost $1,500+ with the HDs. Plus, if someone has skills like you then you can tweak it up how you need to.

Make that $1225. 200 gig hard drives with 8 meg cache I can grab right now for $112 off of Price Watch. Believe me, I just got done looking at them about an hour ago.

2 of those will hold his library just fine, and you're probably going to want to dedicate a machine to it, so yes, then it could increase the price a few hundred more for another Giga lisense, but at least a 1ghz Intel will run it fine. Then it's just a matter of a KVM is your friend, or remote desktop is your friend. Still, 'bargain' can be weighed in different manners. You can get EWQL Gold for the same price, except its a LOT less top heavy. But do you want the burned in reverb?

By the way, it took me two DAYS to install VSL. Patience is required.

I had WinZip freezing on me constantly to unpack the damn thing! What a nightmare babysitting job that was! Still, the quality of VSL is PHENOMINAL, and covers more bases than other libraries, esp with percussion.

Devon

Ixox · Post by **Ixox** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:48 am

Strangely i don't find the size a big problem at all...

Today, one can buy a 200Gb for 112$ ? so how will a 400Gb cost in 2 years.
400Gb drive will arrive before the end of the year so we will find lots of them next year.
I think when you buy that kind of library you hope it will be ok for the next 4/5 year.
The 350Gb size problem will last 12 months.

Don't forget you have every ensemble in 2 mic positions.
All strings articulations are recorded also mutted.
All strings : 100Gb
So if you want 1 mic position : 50Gb
One mic and don't want the mutted articulations : 25Gb
You will still be able to fully install later.

What i see with this library is a huge good sounding one that hobbyists will be able to afford. This is the average price of a hardware synth !!
That why i'm so excited about it.

(There is not 'excited' emoticons)...

EDITED : the bad is that there is no percussion...

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:12 am

Ixox wrote: the bad is that there is no percussion...

Keep an eye out for the upcoming True Strike library from www.projectsam.com

The SAM people always seem to bring out great stuff at very reasonable prices.

/Yoss

Orchestral library : 350GB for $995US