Is Sylenth still relevant in 2016?

[wagtunes]

I laugh at all these "XYZ company synths all sound the same" or "These synths sound different" proclamations.

You guys wouldn't know one synth from another in a mix and I'm going to prove it.

[chk071]

I didn't say they sound the same. I said they sound "similar". That's a difference. And what is your example going to prove? I wouldn't even be able to tell if you use Synth1 or Diva for certain sounds.

[wagtunes]

I didn't say they sound the same. I said they sound "similar". That's a difference. And what is your example going to prove? I wouldn't even be able to tell if you use Synth1 or Diva for certain sounds.

Exactly. You couldn't tell if I used Synth1 or Diva. In fact, most synths sound similar. Hell, I can count the number of synths out there with truly unique sound characteristics on one hand.

That's why I laugh at all this crap.

[do_androids_dream]

I laugh at all these "XYZ company synths all sound the same" or "These synths sound different" proclamations.

Why?

You guys wouldn't know one synth from another in a mix and I'm going to prove it.

Such a broad generalisation of folks you know nothing about. There's quite a 'superior' attitude coming through in this post.

[wagtunes]

I laugh at all these "XYZ company synths all sound the same" or "These synths sound different" proclamations.

Why?

You guys wouldn't know one synth from another in a mix and I'm going to prove it.

Such a broad generalisation of folks you know nothing about. There's quite a 'superior' attitude coming through in this post.

Like I said, I'll prove it. Nothing superior about it. It has nothing to do with the people and everything to do with just about every synth out there that, in a mix, all sound the same, even to me.

Like I said, I'll prove it.

[chk071]

I didn't say they sound the same. I said they sound "similar". That's a difference. And what is your example going to prove? I wouldn't even be able to tell if you use Synth1 or Diva for certain sounds.

Exactly. You couldn't tell if I used Synth1 or Diva. In fact, most synths sound similar. Hell, I can count the number of synths out there with truly unique sound characteristics on one hand.

That's why I laugh at all this crap.

Do a filter sweep, or play the raw oscillators, i'd surely be able to tell if you play Synth1 or Diva. Play a filtered, and processed pad, and the chance that i can distinguish between those 2, especially as i don't know Diva very well, would be minimized by far.

[wagtunes]

I didn't say they sound the same. I said they sound "similar". That's a difference. And what is your example going to prove? I wouldn't even be able to tell if you use Synth1 or Diva for certain sounds.

Exactly. You couldn't tell if I used Synth1 or Diva. In fact, most synths sound similar. Hell, I can count the number of synths out there with truly unique sound characteristics on one hand.

That's why I laugh at all this crap.

Do a filter sweep, or play the raw oscillators, i'd surely be able to tell if you play Synth1 or Diva. Play a filtered, and processed pad, and the chance that i can distinguish between those 2, especially as i don't know Diva very well, would be minimized by far.

I said, in a mix. That's all that matters. All this "let's toss this into an analyzer" crap is just that, crap. Nobody listens to music that way. They listened to it processed in a mix. And processed in a mix you couldn't tell OXE from Omnisphere.

[chk071]

I agree. But then, we're comparing synth to synth here, not how the synth sounds in a mix. When i say their synths sound similar, then i don't mean "in a mix". I mean, when you compare them with each other.

[EnGee]

I laugh at all these "XYZ company synths all sound the same" or "These synths sound different" proclamations.

Why?

You guys wouldn't know one synth from another in a mix and I'm going to prove it.

Such a broad generalisation of folks you know nothing about. There's quite a 'superior' attitude coming through in this post.

Like I said, I'll prove it. Nothing superior about it. It has nothing to do with the people and everything to do with just about every synth out there that, in a mix, all sound the same, even to me.

Like I said, I'll prove it.

If all are sounding the same, why do you bother to make libraries for dozens of synths? Just one synth is enough

Anyway, even in the mix there is a difference in the quality and presence ..etc. The difference becomes obvious when the lead/pad or any sound stands out (like playing solo or to make one part in the front). In a busy mix and with all the parts have the same volume, of course what the point if nothing is standing out!!

[recursive one]

If you know the sound of a certain synth well, you have good chances to recognize it in the mix. I remember I posted one of my tracks and Chk071 immediately recognized Spire in it, despite I wasn't using any of the factory presets, iirc (maybe except for some very basic plucks).

Right now I'm listening to Alignments-Ignition album and I'm almost 100% sure the guy uses Spire alot, if not for 100% his sounds



And in any case the listener will surely tell if you have used a great synth or a crappy one

[wagtunes]

I laugh at all these "XYZ company synths all sound the same" or "These synths sound different" proclamations.

Why?

You guys wouldn't know one synth from another in a mix and I'm going to prove it.

Such a broad generalisation of folks you know nothing about. There's quite a 'superior' attitude coming through in this post.

Like I said, I'll prove it. Nothing superior about it. It has nothing to do with the people and everything to do with just about every synth out there that, in a mix, all sound the same, even to me.

Like I said, I'll prove it.

If all are sounding the same, why do you bother to make libraries for dozens of synths? Just one synth is enough

Because people own many synths. Duh!

[EnGee]

I laugh at all these "XYZ company synths all sound the same" or "These synths sound different" proclamations.

Why?

You guys wouldn't know one synth from another in a mix and I'm going to prove it.

Such a broad generalisation of folks you know nothing about. There's quite a 'superior' attitude coming through in this post.

Like I said, I'll prove it. Nothing superior about it. It has nothing to do with the people and everything to do with just about every synth out there that, in a mix, all sound the same, even to me.

Like I said, I'll prove it.

If all are sounding the same, why do you bother to make libraries for dozens of synths? Just one synth is enough

Because people own many synths. Duh!

So you do your libraries because the people owns many synths in spite of your belief that they sound the same in a mix?!
So, are those people fools? Duh!

[wagtunes]

I laugh at all these "XYZ company synths all sound the same" or "These synths sound different" proclamations.

Why?

You guys wouldn't know one synth from another in a mix and I'm going to prove it.

Such a broad generalisation of folks you know nothing about. There's quite a 'superior' attitude coming through in this post.

Like I said, I'll prove it. Nothing superior about it. It has nothing to do with the people and everything to do with just about every synth out there that, in a mix, all sound the same, even to me.

Like I said, I'll prove it.

If all are sounding the same, why do you bother to make libraries for dozens of synths? Just one synth is enough

Because people own many synths. Duh!

So you do your libraries because the people owns many synths in spite of your belief that they sound the same in a mix?!
So, are those people fools? Duh!

No, not at all. They just like to have different synths for a variety of reasons, not all having to do with the sound itself. I'm not going to get into all the reasons here and now because I have a project to work on in order to prove my point, and I will prove my point.

And as I said, there are a handful of synths that nothing else sounds like. But you can't tell me that, in a mix, you could tell whether I used Monark for a bass line or Arturia's Mini V. With the majority of synths out there, the differences in sound can only be heard isolated and carefully analyzed.

That isn't how people listen to music, so as far as I'm concerned, those comparisons are meaningless. I don't care if XYZ's sawtooth wave is more "true" than ABC's sawtooth wave. So what? Meaningless in the context of music.

[EnGee]

No, not at all. They just like to have different synths for a variety of reasons, not all having to do with the sound itself. I'm not going to get into all the reasons here and now because I have a project to work on in order to prove my point, and I will prove my point.

And as I said, there are a handful of synths that nothing else sounds like. But you can't tell me that, in a mix, you could tell whether I used Monark for a bass line or Arturia's Mini V. With the majority of synths out there, the differences in sound can only be heard isolated and carefully analyzed.

That isn't how people listen to music, so as far as I'm concerned, those comparisons are meaningless. I don't care if XYZ's sawtooth wave is more "true" than ABC's sawtooth wave. So what? Meaningless in the context of music.

Yes, it is difficult to tell between similar synths, but still there is a difference. This tiny differences are what we call "details". Sometimes, people forget the main idea and be obsessed with the details, and sometimes they ignore them. But, IMO, many of the great masterpieces (whatever they are) are in the details. So, that there is a good mixing/mastering engineer and a great mixing/mastering engineer. The great ones, always, care a lot about the details.

[chk071]

And as I said, there are a handful of synths that nothing else sounds like. But you can't tell me that, in a mix, you could tell whether I used Monark for a bass line or Arturia's Mini V. With the majority of synths out there, the differences in sound can only be heard isolated and carefully analyzed.

That isn't how people listen to music, so as far as I'm concerned, those comparisons are meaningless. I don't care if XYZ's sawtooth wave is more "true" than ABC's sawtooth wave. So what? Meaningless in the context of music.

Maybe, but it's the major argument whether you buy a synth or not. None of my synth was bought because the GUI looks so good. It's also a criterium, but, definitely, the main criterium is sound above all. Or diversity in sound.