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Alive In Chernobyl · Post by **Alive In Chernobyl** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:34 am

dystonia_ek wrote:I've never seen a piece of hardware that can do what CSound and Max/MSP can do.

I think to look by your feet and see the computer will solve this problem

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:35 am

Does anyone here like using under ware??

Alive In Chernobyl · Post by **Alive In Chernobyl** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:47 am

sickle666 wrote:Does anyone here like using under ware??

That is software. Funny case of software wrapping the hardware

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:50 am

yeah, but what if it's a strap-on?

Then it would be hard-on ware

RDG · Post by **RDG** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:36 am

Let's just stick to what we're most familiar with...

It's the same discussion as "My host is the best around, Reason sucks..."
Just stick to what you know best...

I myself am a software-kinda-guy,
call me crazy...

Karbon L. Forms · Post by **Karbon L. Forms** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:54 am

Has anyone put together a few recordings of various hard and software then put them out as a test to others to see if they can tell the hard from the soft?

I'd have no clue myself but would a real expert synth head get all the answers right?

Just a thought.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:55 am

dystonia_ek wrote:I've never seen a piece of hardware that can do what CSound and Max/MSP can do.

Thought Id mention Kyma, though of course each have their own unique features. I expect someone to contest its just software anyway on a different platform

dystonia_ek · Post by **dystonia_ek** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:40 pm

Karbon L. Forms wrote:Has anyone put together a few recordings of various hard and software then put them out as a test to others to see if they can tell the hard from the soft?

I'd have no clue myself but would a real expert synth head get all the answers right?

Just a thought.

I managed to fool an Arp 2600 user with Lord & Karlheinz's 2600 Reaktor 3 ensemble. He wasn't very happy about it either!

That being said, tweaking the knobs on a virtual analogue tends to dispel the illusion of realism pretty fast, even if the oscillators sound good. I'm certainly no 'expert', and I can hear the difference.

FM synths would be harder - most FM softsynths tend to sound better than their ancestors, to my ears anyway (DX-7 vs FM7 for example).

no_barcode · Post by **no_barcode** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:44 pm

One hardware vs software problem I have experienced is the interpolation of MIDI controller data.

I haven't used a VSTi that offers perfect performance when it comes to smoothly and reliably interpolating the values from my MIDI controller to the VSTi's filter (or whatever)

Most either don't offer this ability - which makes them sound like they're stepping through the values rather harshly, or they do interpolate, but become sluggish in their response time as they interpolate from value 0 to 127 (sluggish because I'm freaky with the knobs sometimes and I go from 0 to 127 in about a second) Then it just slows me down, or doesn't sound the way I'd expect it to.

That's my only complaint, and this seems like a good spot to complain about it.

waveriderarts · Post by **waveriderarts** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 1:55 pm

whyterabbyt wrote: But you also said

I know here knob fiddlers think they are really good, collect gear rather than use it, and know I won`t change their mind. I see some of those people do the worst shows ever, like a buch of nerds in front of their labtops,
and

You people just do not think much

yeah, I forgot that, indded it applies to you so you have all the rights to feel insulted.

TeeLangSun · Post by **TeeLangSun** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:31 pm

I want a software version of a Triton or Motif. That's what I'm missing. I've heard some really nice sounding synths, but there's nothing to compare to the hardware workstations.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:40 pm

TeeLangSun wrote:I want a software version of a Triton or Motif. That's what I'm missing. I've heard some really nice sounding synths, but there's nothing to compare to the hardware workstations.

If either of those came out as software they'd sell like cold cakes. If they're selling them as workstations they've got to compare with my computer workstation in its entirety and they don't come close.

waveriderarts · Post by **waveriderarts** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:52 pm

TeeLangSun wrote: but there's nothing to compare to the hardware workstations.

yeah I think you are right, the hardware manifacturers still rule in term of sequencing stuff live, I am amazed by this, the computer could do all that easily... I think its is a question of culture, untill someone nails it right in terms of live sequencing environment we have to endure... Bars and Pipes, an amiga program, is still unmatched by PC offerings in terms of real-time MIDI. Most programs on a PC eitheir emulate a tape deck or lack crucial features. Sonar and Cubase are just the f**king same thing. I am still hoping for eXT standalone... Jorgen could be the one that will render a groovebox obsolete, finally!

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:55 pm

TeeLangSun wrote:I want a software version of a Triton or Motif. That's what I'm missing. I've heard some really nice sounding synths, but there's nothing to compare to the hardware workstations.

Korg Oasys is your Triton right there. I have one and love it.

Devon

no_signal · Post by **no_signal** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 7:38 pm

blaster78 wrote:
tee boy wrote:I honestly believe that its not any limitation of native systems that holds vst's back - its the market place itself. People still see vst's as inferior to h/w, and arent prepared to pay the prices required for serious 'classic' instruments. And until vst's are universally considered on par with hw synths, we will have to continue to settle for second best.
Not sure if I agree with this, imo i can get sounds out of a free vsti now that i couldn't have hopes for from some of the "expensive" hardware i've owned over the years.

I think that the day you are forced to pay £1000's for vstis would be a very sad one indeed. software is cheaper because it doesn't require the plastic/metal box, screen, or infact any of the electronics. not because it's inferior.

People have this mentality of releasing software synths with less usable presets, and maby some bugs too, and than release a lot of updates.
A hardware synth sometimes cannot be updated (only the firmware if it's DSP) so the designers must make a really great job before releasing it.
I think VSTi's are growing up a little day by day.

Software v Hardware