Eventide blackhole vs VVV

[DGillespie]

I'm glad to hear that, the plug-ins have been a bit of a labor of love for me. The most rewarding thing is always when they get used.

[bmanic]

That Ultrachannel giveaway was like a free taste of crack. Just yesterday I purchased Anthology X bundle!

Seriously though, love you guys! Awesome products.

[masterhiggins]

Did I hear that we could use the stereo room plugin to update to the anthology x bundle? If so, what's the price?

[valhallasound]

Hey everyone, Hey Sean,

Hi Dan!

Another interesting thing about the filtering that comes from linear interpolation in a modulated delay line is that the amount of filtering changes changes as you modulate the delay. It's not always what you want, but it can create a nice secondary modulation effect, especially when used on multiple delays at once.

I've never thought about sidebands created by linear interpolation. This might be an interesting thing to listen for & plot out. Then again, it might be hard to separate the effects of the time varying filtering (which will be changing fairly rapidly for most modulation depths) from the delay modulation itself (which will happen at a slower rate, but will be more audible).

[MogwaiBoy]

This is awesome: Minds from Eventide and Valhalla both in this thread.

I love VVV and Blackhole and probably couldn't choose an honest favourite. You guys rule.

Please continue talking complex reverb algorithms and stuff..!

[DGillespie]

Did I hear that we could use the stereo room plugin to update to the anthology x bundle? If so, what's the price?

I believe the upgrade is only from plug-ins that are in Anthology X. Essentially, we'd hate for someone to accidentally upgrade from 2016 and lose access to it.

[DGillespie]

I've never thought about sidebands created by linear interpolation. This might be an interesting thing to listen for & plot out. Then again, it might be hard to separate the effects of the time varying filtering (which will be changing fairly rapidly for most modulation depths) from the delay modulation itself (which will happen at a slower rate, but will be more audible).

If you drop the modulation rate glacially slow, you can definitely hear it. I'm not sure how audible it is at more reasonable rates. I guess one could test by oversampling by 2 and interpolate using a 3rd order triangular filter and compare the difference. I think that would give you the same filtering without the sidebands.

[valhallasound]

This is awesome: Minds from Eventide and Valhalla both in this thread.

Dan and I talk on Twitter from time to time.

I love VVV and Blackhole and probably couldn't choose an honest favourite. You guys rule.

Thanks!

[DGillespie]

Yeah, Sean's actually the one who convinced me to come hang out here.

[valhallasound]

I've never thought about sidebands created by linear interpolation. This might be an interesting thing to listen for & plot out. Then again, it might be hard to separate the effects of the time varying filtering (which will be changing fairly rapidly for most modulation depths) from the delay modulation itself (which will happen at a slower rate, but will be more audible).

If you drop the modulation rate glacially slow, you can definitely hear it. I'm not sure how audible it is at more reasonable rates. I guess one could test by oversampling by 2 and interpolate using a 3rd order triangular filter and compare the difference. I think that would give you the same filtering without the sidebands.

OK, I think I have heard that artifact with super slow modulation speeds, as well as super shallow modulation depths. For most of my stuff, there are a LOT of different delay lines with independent modulation, so the artifacts are harder to hear.

I should note that I deliberately reduce the number of sub-sample quanta (is this the right phrase? It sounds awesomely pretentious) in a few of my algorithms. The idea is to simulate the effects of the modulation in a fixed point system with low precision, so that there might be only 8 or 16 or 32 sub-samples for the interpolation. This is different than the sort of sub-sample quanta that might be used for allpass or higher order polynomial interpolation, where a table lookup is used. Anyway, the sub-sample quanta adds some noise - not as much as NO interpolation with a modulated delay, but more noise than linear interpolation.

Sean Costello

[valhallasound]

Yeah, Sean's actually the one who convinced me to come hang out here.

[dreamvoid]

I'm glad to hear that, the plug-ins have been a bit of a labor of love for me. The most rewarding thing is always when they get used.

For me Blackhole is a great sound design tool and I use it quite often in small and larger doses. You should know that I own Eventide hardware and a selection of fine reverbs from EMT over System 6000, Quantecs and many software reverbs. Be asured Blackhole is used a lot here nevertheless and it is not only 'plug in convenience'. Thank you for the great work.
(I have and use Valhalla plug ins too - but not as much since the last two years or so - hard to explain why and this would be another discussion)

[Fleer]

Gillespie and Costello on reverb
Would love to see Denis Goekdag step in as well.

[Novalis]

Yeah, Sean's actually the one who convinced me to come hang out here.

Great stuff!

So nice to see that, even though you are competitors.
Hats off to you guys!

Welcome to KVR, Dan.

[Ichad.c]

I've never thought about sidebands created by linear interpolation. This might be an interesting thing to listen for & plot out. Then again, it might be hard to separate the effects of the time varying filtering (which will be changing fairly rapidly for most modulation depths) from the delay modulation itself (which will happen at a slower rate, but will be more audible).

I'm busy with a delay plug so I already did a plot Input is Saw wave, triangle modulation(probably a tad more than you'll find in a reverb, Pink is linear interpolation and green is bicubic.