FM8 in year 2017?

[ghettosynth]

Reaktor would (could) be the obvious "other" choise. But other than those three, i can't think of any DX-style FM synth in vst/plugin format.

Big Tick Rhino, IL Toxic 3, Octopus, and of course RP Blue II come to my mind, and have also something to possibly add to the FM saga, and are possible candidates to compliment FM8, or replace it, if people prefer them.

Wow...how could i forget those ones

Toxic, Octo and Blue are good ones as well indeed. I haven't worked with Rhino though.

Toxic has the cartoon thing on lock. Blue II and Rhino seem to offer something more than FM8, however, they don't really have "modern" filters, per se.

This is why I want NI to update FM8 with a serious overhaul. I'm spoiled by Bazille's filters and the filters in Reaktor.

[exmatproton]

Reaktor would (could) be the obvious "other" choise. But other than those three, i can't think of any DX-style FM synth in vst/plugin format.

Big Tick Rhino, IL Toxic 3, Octopus, and of course RP Blue II come to my mind, and have also something to possibly add to the FM saga, and are possible candidates to compliment FM8, or replace it, if people prefer them.

Wow...how could i forget those ones

Toxic, Octo and Blue are good ones as well indeed. I haven't worked with Rhino though.

Toxic has the cartoon thing on lock. Blue II and Rhino seem to offer something more than FM8, however, they don't really have "modern" filters, per se.

This is why I want NI to update FM8 with a serious overhaul. I'm spoiled by Bazille's filters and the filters in Reaktor.

Sure. But that doesn't make a plugin bad per se. The aformentioned FM plugins are quite good. And to me, the filters do sound better compared to FM8. So, i am with you on the point of updating FM8 with (AT LEAST) better filters. But there are some other FM synths out there for the time being.

[ghettosynth]

Reaktor would (could) be the obvious "other" choise. But other than those three, i can't think of any DX-style FM synth in vst/plugin format.

Big Tick Rhino, IL Toxic 3, Octopus, and of course RP Blue II come to my mind, and have also something to possibly add to the FM saga, and are possible candidates to compliment FM8, or replace it, if people prefer them.

Wow...how could i forget those ones

Toxic, Octo and Blue are good ones as well indeed. I haven't worked with Rhino though.

Toxic has the cartoon thing on lock. Blue II and Rhino seem to offer something more than FM8, however, they don't really have "modern" filters, per se.

This is why I want NI to update FM8 with a serious overhaul. I'm spoiled by Bazille's filters and the filters in Reaktor.

Sure. But that doesn't make a plugin bad per se. The aformentioned FM plugins are quite good. And to me, the filters do sound better compared to FM8. So, i am with you on the point of updating FM8 with (AT LEAST) better filters. But there are some other FM synths out there for the time being.

Sure, blue II looks particularly interesting, I just remember at the time that I was looking for something very modern. I'm a bit spoiled by Bazille's filters.

[Andrei Marchenko]

Folks you are really think that we never see FM9? I guess that NI know that they must update their synths because they can lose a huge part of VST market pie.

[robotmonkey]

Must agree with Lotuzia.

I don't give a damn if NI won't update FM8 anytime soon. It's a great synth as it is and really does not need anything else. It has a filter and it's ok. FM8 sounds great with it or without. If you wan't a different filter badly then just drop any of the good external ones on the fx chain.

And I seriously doubt that anyone else will give a damn either wheather it has zdf filter or not. Don't think anyone could tell a difference or care if the sound is heard in a song. Not having a zdf filter is one of the lesser problems of FM8.

Of course they could add some features from SY77 but I'd rather see them model it as a separate synth than turn FM8 into a Frankenstein monster.

[robotmonkey]

And as far as Sytrus is concerned, it's butt ugly. It was really ugly before but the new gui is even more a step back. Image-Line's guis really have taken a deep dive with vectorial makeover.

[exmatproton]

And as far as Sytrus is concerned, it's butt ugly. It was really ugly before but the new gui is even more a step back. Image-Line's guis really have taken a deep dive with vectorial makeover.

I disagree completely I love the darker, less contrastfull (blue-)greyish resizable gui's they release. And i am not the only one. But it is really subjective. Lot's of people (including you) hate what IL is doing with the GUI's indeed...

[dune_rave]

To a point in the past, NI really updated their "legacy" synths, but for a long time, we can see "micro" updates. And don't forget they abandoned B4, Pro 53, and Kore.
If you check Massive you can see the competition produced better synths with better workflow and better gui.
The same goes for Absynth.
And almost the same for FM8 - this still stands out in the competition.
I Think NI's main strength is Kontakt, and I don't use other synths than FM8 from NI,
because so many better synths are.
I don't know if they will "abandon" Absynth and the other oldies, but anyone with an eye can clearly see that the main focus is on Kontakt and Reaktor based stuff...So I think if NI want some new FM monster, they will do it in Reaktor, as they did the Monark synth to come up with something unique and new.

Folks you are really think that we never see FM9? I guess that NI know that they must update their synths because they can lose a huge part of VST market pie.

[ghettosynth]

Must agree with Lotuzia.

I don't give a damn if NI won't update FM8 anytime soon. It's a great synth as it is and really does not need anything else. It has a filter and it's ok. FM8 sounds great with it or without. If you wan't a different filter badly then just drop any of the good external ones on the fx chain.

It is a completely different thing to have a single filter following a polyphonic stage than it is to have one per voice. You should familiarize yourself with the difference before making recommendations to others.

Basically, a paraphonic chain, which is what you are describing, cannot modulate the filter per voice. This can actually be interesting on its own, my first synth was a Seil DK80 which was paraphonic and I rather liked some of the effects that you get with paraphonic synths. However, it is generally not what people are after.

Perhaps you wouldn't notice the difference in filter quality, however, you probably shouldn't speak for others before you get a bit more experience with filters.

[stephenseifert]

Besides GUI resizing, I'd really like to see each operator have its own pitch envelope. Also, fixing the import bugs would be nice.

[ghettosynth]

To a point in the past, NI really updated their "legacy" synths, but for a long time, we can see "micro" updates. And don't forget they abandoned B4, Pro 53, and Kore.
If you check Massive you can see the competition produced better synths with better workflow and better gui.
The same goes for Absynth.
And almost the same for FM8 - this still stands out in the competition.
I Think NI's main strength is Kontakt, and I don't use other synths than FM8 from NI,
because so many better synths are.
I don't know if they will "abandon" Absynth and the other oldies, but anyone with an eye can clearly see that the main focus is on Kontakt and Reaktor based stuff...So I think if NI want some new FM monster, they will do it in Reaktor, as they did the Monark synth to come up with something unique and new.

Folks you are really think that we never see FM9? I guess that NI know that they must update their synths because they can lose a huge part of VST market pie.

Yeah, I feel like they've really dropped the ball with standalone plugins, but, maybe their management really feels like Kontakt/Reaktor development is the way to go. In a way, I'm actually ok with this. I'd upgrade my complete in a hot second if it included a new Reaktor based FM9.

No, don't like that it uses more CPU than it would if it were not in Reakor, but, at the same time, there are usually usable tools and tweakability that you only get in Reaktor.

[Mattvk]

Wow, many replys, thanks but i´m still stupid
I make a testdrive on all three synths.
Just another little question...Can i use FM7 on current 64bit systems? (If i get a FM7)

Hey,

Think about an advanced FM 8 Synth

Not sure if Vemberaudio Surge do the Job of a FM8...
Is Max for cats Bengal a better choice in summary as FM8? or are they still so different.

thanks

[Teksonik]

Just another little question...Can i use FM7 on current 64bit systems? (If i get a FM7)

Yes but unless I missed it FM7 is still 32 bit. So you'll need a 32 bit Host or a Bit Bridge. I'd install my FM7 alongside FM8 if there was a 64 bit version just because of nostalgia.

You could try Dexed which is 64 bit, looks more like a real DX than FM8 and sounds pretty close to a DX. I'm using it to go through the tens of thousands of DX7 patches looking for the rare gem. I'll make a bank of favorites then import them into FM8 for further tweaking..........

[EnGee]

I like FM8 and it is from my favourite synths ever

Anyway, i like also the sound of Primal Audio FM4. I have it in my iPad and it sounds great! I wish FM8 can sound like that! Unfortunately, FM4 is only for iPad and Reason RE They should release it for PC/Mac as well.

Here there is a nice audio demo:
https://soundcloud.com/primalaudio/fm4-spring-pack-demo

[robotmonkey]

Must agree with Lotuzia.

I don't give a damn if NI won't update FM8 anytime soon. It's a great synth as it is and really does not need anything else. It has a filter and it's ok. FM8 sounds great with it or without. If you wan't a different filter badly then just drop any of the good external ones on the fx chain.

It is a completely different thing to have a single filter following a polyphonic stage than it is to have one per voice. You should familiarize yourself with the difference before making recommendations to others.

Basically, a paraphonic chain, which is what you are describing, cannot modulate the filter per voice. This can actually be interesting on its own, my first synth was a Seil DK80 which was paraphonic and I rather liked some of the effects that you get with paraphonic synths. However, it is generally not what people are after.

Perhaps you wouldn't notice the difference in filter quality, however, you probably shouldn't speak for others before you get a bit more experience with filters.

Lol I know perfectly well the limitations of using an external filter. Just see no point in crying about it like a little girl. Don't be such a smug ass and think everyone needs educating by you.