SONAR issues...deal breaker?

[incubus]

Really, I have to agree with whyteabbyt.

That's a shame, his ego is already too large as it is.

[incubus]

Ok, but remember this isn't about me, it's about facts.

Yeah, that's why the third post in this thread was your premptive dismissal of the opinion of anyone who might have something non-negative to say, and why your contribution has been multiple repetitions of the same basic 'wah, its teh suck' without really including any single specific issues that affects Sonar universally.

If all you use is audio, and you don't use 3rd party stuff, then everything changes.

Really upsets me that this is the "basis" of endorsing something.

'Really upsets you', huh? How sensitive you must be on that "basis".

I use loops, vst's, midi, multi-out vst's, samples, 3rd party vsts, sonar stuff and controllers. It's unfair under the best of circumstances to do audio/non-3rd party and say "works fine here" as really anything can do that.

I use loops, vst's, midi, multi-out vst's, samples, 3rd party vsts, sonar stuff controllers and external hardware. And have done for about 15 years. It works fine here, equally as well as the other hosts I also use.

But I guess that's 'unfair' too. The only thing that's presumably not 'unfair' will be you undermining the right to an opinion of anyone who gives an impression contrary to the one you repeatedly shove down everyone's throats every time there's a Sonar thread.

The definition of a fanboi

Hate to break you the bad news, but I'm not the only person that ever had issues with sonar. I know it's in your nature to troll people personally and then split things up to give the illusion you know what you are talking about, but the fact is you've shoved virtually everyones nose into the ground that has complained about it.

[whyterabbyt]

The definition of a fanboi

Ah, yes, of course. Anyone who disagrees with your frothing rants is a fanboi.

Of course, since I dont actually spend all my time here whinging about how all those hosts I don't use are terrible, you probably don't have the slightest clue which software I do use.
Want a clue?

Hate to break you the bad news, but I'm not the only person that ever had issues with sonar.

So? That doesnt give you the right to bully anyone who's perfectly happy with it out of giving their own opinion, but that's exactly how you started in this thread...

I know it's in your nature to troll people personally

Oh the irony.

the fact is you've shoved virtually everyones nose into the ground that has complained about it.

You say that with all the accuracy and honesty of a Trump tweet.

[DeBro]

Oh man! These Sonar threads on KVR usually turn into one hilarious read.
I got into computer music in 2000 with Protools Free, but before that I was creating music with a Yamaha QY10 hardware midi sequencer and recording on cassette tape. So in the late 1990s, I had already acquired a good knowledge of midi when in 2002 I found Cakewalk Home Studio 2002. Form then to the present, none of Cakewalk's products that I have acquired has thrown up any obstacle and show stopper preventing me from creating good music. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for me to look elsewhere for my music production needs. Hopefully I'll be able to step up to a modern recording and mixing studio having Sonar as its heart.

[incubus]

The definition of a fanboi

Ah, yes, of course. Anyone who disagrees with your frothing rants is a fanboi.

Of course, since I dont actually spend all my time here whinging about how all those hosts I don't use are terrible, you probably don't have the slightest clue which software I do use.
Want a clue?

Hate to break you the bad news, but I'm not the only person that ever had issues with sonar.

So? That doesnt give you the right to bully anyone who's perfectly happy with it out of giving their own opinion, but that's exactly how you started in this thread...

I know it's in your nature to troll people personally

Oh the irony.

the fact is you've shoved virtually everyones nose into the ground that has complained about it.

You say that with all the accuracy and honesty of a Trump tweet.

[incubus]

So? That doesnt give you the right to bully anyone who's perfectly happy with it out of giving their own opinion, but that's exactly how you started in this thread...

Ok, I'll tell you that I probably should not have started it the way I did. Unlike you, I'll admit when I'm wrong.

BUT BULLY? Oh, man, you have no right to use the terms bully/troll in any of your posts, you are the definition of that. And unless you call me out by name, I don't respond to you, only when you troll me.

[whyterabbyt]

Ok, I'll tell you that I probably should not have started it the way I did.

'Probably', eh? How magnanamous of you.

Unlike you, I'll admit when I'm wrong.

What, buried under a few dozen other posts about how anyone who disagrees with you is a fanboi or a troll?
Sounds legit. Just like your 'alternative facts'.

BUT BULLY? Oh, man, you have no right to use the terms bully/troll in any of your posts, you are the definition of that.

Yes, and Im sure Im probably the definition of a 'bad hombre' and a terrorist too.

And unless you call me out by name, I don't respond to you, only when you troll me.

Because anyone who disagrees with you is a troll, yes we know how you work.

[xalama qo]

Thanks everyone for your input, I've decided on a low cost-impact route to dip my toes into Sonar territory. Hoping it will work out for me, but either way I'll be able to add my 2 cents to the flame-wars meaningfully!
As you were...

[VariKusBrainZ]

Thanks everyone for your input, I've decided on a low cost-impact route to dip my toes into Sonar territory. Hoping it will work out for me, but either way I'll be able to add my 2 cents to the flame-wars meaningfully!
As you were...

So long as your views are contrary to reality and you don't understand hypocrisy you'll do just fine

[xalama qo]

^^

[LawrenceF]

Thanks everyone for your input

It's just software. **Try** the demo. If it works well for you, buy it. If not, don't.

** Try** ... means "... actually use it full time, like, for real, like, write real songs or do whatever it is you intend to do with it, for real, for 30 days, as if you already own it." If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know, not sure what else will.

Additionally, the above is always quite literally "present tense only". That is to say that what you see happening today may have no direct relationship to what may happen or what you may experience with it in a future version. You buy it for what it is right now, not what it may or may not be later.

Good luck.

[xalama qo]

Thanks LawrenceF. Good advice, except the Sonar demo doesn't save, so you're limited to what you're adventurous enough to do WITHOUT saving, which in my case isn't much.

[LawrenceF]

Don't shut it off until you finish a song and render a mix?

But yeah, not saving in the demo kinda bites. Can't personally say I get the logic behind that decision.

[declan32001]

Like with the lifetime updates, how long will it be before people starting talking about the latest pricing changes as a 'cash grab' trying to get those who have not updated in years to update to the latest version with the threat of no longer being able to get a discount for upgrading after May 1.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/Cakewalk-Anno ... 73984.aspx

They have finally just made a comment with news (no news really) with regards to the non show of the Mac Alpha, basically only saying there would be news in April, whether that news is that SONAR for the Mac has been canned or what is not known.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3572769

Perhaps they need another cash grab to keep things rolling? News on the Mac version in April, no more upgrades from older versions from May 1, trying to get all those who have not upgraded for years to upgrade by way of a no more discount threat, thus hopefully bringing in the cash? Who knows,

Things just don't smell right at Cakewalk, Long running support issues, SONAR Mac version failure to launch, and complete and utter silence until recently, which said nothing, staff leaving on the quiet, little to no communication on anything despite constant and loud cries?.

Like my mum use to say, if it doesn't look right, and doesn't smell right . . . . . . . I'm not eating it!!!

I disagree with many of your very broad statements, but I've been using CW daws for over 20 years, and have lived with the good & bad, and yes I'm one of those who bit on the "lifetime updates". And I'm happy about it.

Sonar does have features few daws have, and now there are many daws that have some things that Sonar doesn't do easily. It comes down to what you're comfortable with.

In late '14 when they announced SPLAT (and their "membership" deal) it was going to $149 for X3 Pro users. I, and many others balked. It turned out to be $99 and 2015 was a great year if looked at as a release.

Another $99 for 2016 and mixrecall, aux tracks and many, many performance enhancements. Excellent LP Equalizer & Compressor (which I'm not sure diehard SPLAT users needed) & Lenses which I haven't taken the time to find great use for. All-in-all a good buy though.

But, their now defunct "On the Horizon" blurb promised Ripple Editing & an OSX version (blech) which seem further away many, many months later. It did set off alarm bells for longtime users, and I'm very sure that's what led to the lifetime updates. And the explanations fed ammo to Sonar critics.

The "new pricing" announced last week hasn't had the kind of impact I thought it would - yet, and it really only affects current users. I don't think it's a money grab, it's just a heads up.

To the OP, or any new user, I'd think long & hard if I was looking at Artist and what the leap is now to Professional as opposed to what it will be later though.

[incubus]

But those are facts, facts don't work with the 5-10 that defend sonar to the hilt

Anyways, I wish the OP luck, if it's anything other than bliss, I don't know what to say.