It depends on their technology and market. I'm sure Ik did some research and found, for their products and user base, going 64 bit made the most financial sense to them. Someone wanting to use a round robin rompler is probably set up to handle that, and supporting 32 bit to satisfy a small minority that want to be limited by the maximum RAM they can use is not a good business decision for them. Someone like U-he still support both, but I wonder for how much longer, since machines capable of running their newest software are all likely 64 bit anyway. Someone buying a new computer or host has no real reason to choose 32 bit plugins, so that market is ever shrinking. My 32 bit plugins, the few I still occasionally use, get run in Reaper 32 bit bridged mode, I have the best of both worldsATN69 wrote:Sure, but if you think about it ..a user that had only 32-bit for years and years buy a new plugin. The new plugin have both 64-bit and 32-bit version. What do you think this user will choose?Teksonik wrote:Instead of using the 64 bit version ? The 32 bit version is only to placate Luddites like Layzer.ATN69 wrote:I As long as 32-bit is available people will use it.
Here's the bottom line....going 64 bit future proofs your system for the foreseeable future as I doubt 128 bit architecture and plugins are anywhere on the near horizion.
Like I said there are already 64 bit only plugins and I'm willing to bet that trend will only grow as time goes on.
That's why I am saying that developers has to drive the trend, and if plugins come as 64-bit only, users have no choice except to get 64-bit or not buying. Second thing is that the developer might save a little bit of time as you said before, but I bet it will cost them some time in terms of support instead, at least the first couple of years.
When can we stop making 32-bit plugins?
- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
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- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
its not an insult if its an accurate descriptive term. anyway, whatever.braj wrote:He used an accurate term: luddite: a person opposed to increased industrialization or new technology.layzer wrote:call me whatever you like, scumbag. you can go FK your future self.Teksonik wrote:The 32 bit version is only to placate Luddites like Layzer..
You used an insult, buddy.
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- KVRAF
- 19781 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
What's the matter Princess ? Someone giving you a taste of your own medicine ? Now you know how annoying you and your constant whining about "bloat" is to the rest of us.layzer wrote:call me whatever you like, scumbag. you can go FK your future self.Teksonik wrote:The 32 bit version is only to placate Luddites like Layzer..
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
Yeah, whateverlayzer wrote:its not an insult if its an accurate descriptive term. anyway, whatever.braj wrote:He used an accurate term: luddite: a person opposed to increased industrialization or new technology.layzer wrote:call me whatever you like, scumbag. you can go FK your future self.Teksonik wrote:The 32 bit version is only to placate Luddites like Layzer..
You used an insult, buddy.
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- KVRAF
- 5851 posts since 9 Jul, 2002 from Helsinki
Running 32-bit host and plugins in a 64-bit os uses more CPU. So sticking to 32-bit plugins is only OK if you haven't updated your os or machibe in the last decade or so. In which case technology propably doesn't really matter to you and you're staying off the Internet to avoid viruses so you aren't reading this anyway.
- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
right, too bad your music still sucks even with quality 64bit commercial synths.AnX wrote:64bit only. I dont use freeware. I can afford quality synths.
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- KVRAF
- 19781 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
Exactly. Looks like 64% of the people responding agree with you. (at the time of this post).AnX wrote:64bit only. I dont use freeware. I can afford quality synths.
I think some people simply can't afford to upgrade their systems so are stuck in 32 bit mode.
To me, 64 bit hardware architecture, 64 bit OS, 64 bit DAW, 64 bit plugins and No Bit Bridge makes perfect sense.
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- Banned
- 10729 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
Got a link to my music?layzer wrote:right, too bad your music still sucks even with quality 64bit commercial synths.AnX wrote:64bit only. I dont use freeware. I can afford quality synths.
Didnt think so.
- KVRAF
- 2110 posts since 5 Oct, 2015 from Swedish / Living in Hong Kong
Just out of curiousity, how do you handle old projects that you created before you moved to 64-bit only? This is basically the only snag I came across. Any good tips?Teksonik wrote:Exactly. Looks like 64% of the people responding agree with you. (at the time of this post).AnX wrote:64bit only. I dont use freeware. I can afford quality synths.
I think some people simply can't afford to upgrade their systems so are stuck in 32 bit mode.
To me, 64 bit hardware architecture, 64 bit DAW, 64 bit plugins and No Bit Bridge makes perfect sense.
Win 10 -64bit, CPU i7-7700K, 32Gb, Focusrite 2i2, FL-studio 20, Studio One 4, Reason 10
- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
If someone can't afford to upgrade, or their favorite old host and tools are all 32 bit, that's fine, if they just want to be a minimalist or don't trust Windows 10, fine. But saying other people's music sucks and throwing around insults because they disagree with you, that is completely uncalled for.
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- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
nothings the matter, tinkerbell. just enjoying your constant stream of the usual BS.Teksonik wrote:What's the matter Princess ? Someone giving you a taste of your own medicine ? Now you know how annoying you and your constant whining about "bloat" is to the rest of us.layzer wrote:call me whatever you like, scumbag. you can go FK your future self.Teksonik wrote:The 32 bit version is only to placate Luddites like Layzer..
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HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
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- KVRian
- 1478 posts since 2 Mar, 2005
I think 32 it is ok if you still want to appease to that audience. But technology forever moves forward.
I use 32 bit for older projects, but anything new Ive started using 64 bit exclusively. Its a pain to redo a project in 64 bit with a new DAW, new this & that when I could just leave it right where it is. On that note, to be able to add something with new features to an old project is right up my alley sometimes. Thats where I see 32 bit being still viable. But the new stuff... nah.
I use samplers mostly, so 64 bit is a huge necessary for me as some of my libraries are can take up lots of ram. Bridging things is just a really unnecessary hassle in my opinion. Ive moved on to Reaper as my main DAW & running everything on it is mostly flawless
I could put my 32 bit plugs in it, but it just feels like a disconnect. There are some old plugs Ill miss, but Ive mostly upgraded everything to take advantage of 64. I haven't regretted it since.
I use 32 bit for older projects, but anything new Ive started using 64 bit exclusively. Its a pain to redo a project in 64 bit with a new DAW, new this & that when I could just leave it right where it is. On that note, to be able to add something with new features to an old project is right up my alley sometimes. Thats where I see 32 bit being still viable. But the new stuff... nah.
I use samplers mostly, so 64 bit is a huge necessary for me as some of my libraries are can take up lots of ram. Bridging things is just a really unnecessary hassle in my opinion. Ive moved on to Reaper as my main DAW & running everything on it is mostly flawless
I could put my 32 bit plugs in it, but it just feels like a disconnect. There are some old plugs Ill miss, but Ive mostly upgraded everything to take advantage of 64. I haven't regretted it since.
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- KVRist
- 218 posts since 26 Sep, 2017 from Berlin
All of my plugins are 64Bit, also the freeware I used for the OSC Competition here. But I am not the world. Maybe there are a lot people out there which still need 32 bit.
